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03-25-2012, 05:18 PM
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It takes a hell of a player not to be distracted, and focus on the game. Imagine playing on a line with George Clooney. At some point, Staal must be tempted to just stop and admire his situation. It's hard to set up 5-foot tap-ins when you're distracted.

Giroux probably sets Hartnell up for goals just so he can get off the ice and not look at him any more.




It's not even close.

And that theory also explains why Staal can't play with Skinner. It's not just the jealousy issue. Skinner's simply TOO good looking. Even Staal can't resist his Bieber-like allure.

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If your stats tell you that Giroux is a sub PPG player this season, then your stats are clearly faulty.
Well, they don't say that. They just say Giroux is a sub Giroux-adjusted point per game player.

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So? I'm saying this season Hartnell would not be a 35 goal scorer if he wasnt playing with Giroux.

I love Hartnell, but it's true. Without Giroux, Hartnell is a 25-30 goal scorer. With Giroux he is a 35-40 goal scorer. The OP is comparing Hartnell's "with Giroux" stats and assuming they would be the same without Giroux.
Nope, the OP is simply stating that Giroux has vastly superior linemates (can this really be argued?) and thus his point totals are less legitimate than Staal's. Both players make their linemates better, but Staal makes his linemates better-er.

You yourself say Hartnell is a 25-30 goal scorer even without Giroux. Which of Staal's linemates are 25-30 goal scorers?

Look at the stats. They don't lie. Staal scores 3/4ths of Giroux's assists with 1/2 the talent. That means he's a better playmaker.

Claude Giroux is Martin Brodeur facing 20 shots a night behind New Jersey's trap in the 90s, while Eric Staal is Cam Ward playing behind a Tim Gleason-Joe Corvo shutdown pairing. The stats have to be put in context, and that's why CGA points tell the whole story here.


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Nope, the OP is simply stating that Giroux has vastly superior linemates (can this really be argued?) and thus his point totals are less legitimate than Staal's. Both players make their linemates better, but Staal makes his linemates better-er.
Or it means that Giroux has made his linemates "vastly superior".

Maybe with Staal on his line Hartnell is a 20 goal scorer?

I dont see how the "stats" refute this.

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03-25-2012, 05:27 PM
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I dont see how the "stats" refute this.
Yes they do, look at the OP.

They're numbers. You can't argue with numbers.

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03-25-2012, 05:28 PM
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Yeah, If Giroux is soooo good then how come Staal destroys Giroux in CGA points; A stat that Claude Giroux invented.

Basically...

Eric Staal is better at being Claude Giroux than Claude Giroux himself.
BUT, does Staal have a stat named after him? I think not!

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For 8 mill plus I want more from my star player. He's always been a letdown for me.

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For 8 mill plus I want more from my star player. He's always been a letdown for me.
The only thing I can think about when I watch Stall play is how many theoretical hotdogs I would have to eat in order for us to ice a halfway decent squad of players. This proposition becomes increasingly depressing on dollar dog night.

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You should have saved this thread for April 1st, it was actually pretty well done. The fact that some people have seemingly taken offense to it just adds to the quality.

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I happen to agree with TC that Staal's a better player than Giroux, but this method of analysis is of dubious value and cherry-picked to make Eric Staal shine.

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I happen to agree with TC that Staal's a better player than Giroux, but this method of analysis is of dubious value and cherry-picked to make Eric Staal shine.
That's what stats are for.

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03-25-2012, 05:50 PM
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It takes a hell of a player not to be distracted, and focus on the game. Imagine playing on a line with George Clooney. At some point, Staal must be tempted to just stop and admire his situation. It's hard to set up 5-foot tap-ins when you're distracted.

Giroux probably sets Hartnell up for goals just so he can get off the ice and not look at him any more.



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adjusted Claude Giroux-adjusted statistical seasons
LOL. Can we please make this a new statistical metric?


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That's what idiots use stats for.

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They're numbers. You can't argue with numbers.
That's right, and it's futile to even try. What makes Staal's CGA even more impressive is if you quantify and factor in his Skinner-jealousy to the formula, his already great numbers become downright staggering.

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03-25-2012, 06:32 PM
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Eric Staal's CGA numbers are off the charts, so not even gonna debate it cause it's open & shut. Numbers don't lie, but even discounting that, Giroux plays regularly with two future HOFers, while Staal plays regularly with these guys:



It only makes his ability to shine that much brighter.

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03-25-2012, 06:35 PM
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and the award for person with obviously too much time on their hands goes tooooooooooooo.......................

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crazy i had no idea the philadelphia flyers drafted santa claus

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and the award for person with obviously too much time on their hands goes tooooooooooooo.......................
That's how stuff gets done. Someone had to think the world was round before being able to go prove it. The same way the OP had to think that there was a better way to look at points than just looking at them.

We have a true Wunderkind here ladies & gents

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What.

So are "Giroux-adjusted-points" (GAPs) the new intangibles?

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crazy i had no idea the philadelphia flyers drafted santa claus
i had no idea santa dyed his beard!?

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If you have to adjust his stats to make him better than Giroux, he's not better than Giroux.

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What.

So are "Giroux-adjusted-points" (GAPs) the new intangibles?
Eric Staal turned Chad LaRose from a third line grinder into a top line RW who'd be on pace for 60 goals if he'd played the entire season the way he's played the past couple weeks. Could Giroux do that?

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If you have to adjust his stats to make him better than Giroux, he's not better than Giroux.
He adjusted his stats, to make him more compareable to himself and he failed. Staal is more like Giroux than Giroux

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