Its interesting how the majority of the anti fighting fans do not even live in the area and have zero chance of even going to a game. Of course an increase in fighting will increase attendance, wether they are winning or not
Its interesting how the majority of the anti fighting fans do not even live in the area and have zero chance of even going to a game. Of course an increase in fighting will increase attendance, wether they are winning or not
living in the area and being able to attend games has nothing to do with fighting / hitting making the team better.
i am not anti fighting.
hockey is the only sport, besides those that are set up to be fights (like boxing or mma), that allows fighting during the game. if that is all people wanted to see, basketball, soccer, baseball, golf, tennis, volleyball, etc would have no attendance.
teams attendance, and popularity are linked to their success in winning games and having successful seasons. you have provided no facts to support that more "goon" style hockey is what is needed to win games.
living in the area and being able to attend games has nothing to do with fighting / hitting making the team better.
i am not anti fighting.
hockey is the only sport, besides those that are set up to be fights (like boxing or mma), that allows fighting during the game. if that is all people wanted to see, basketball, soccer, baseball, golf, tennis, volleyball, etc would have no attendance.
teams attendance, and popularity are linked to their success in winning games and having successful seasons. you have provided no facts to support that more "goon" style hockey is what is needed to win games.
Well the Bruins seemed to have no problems beating us on the 2nd half of a back to back.
I don't want a team full of fighters... I want a team than can compete and hold their own if another team takes a run at our star player or tries to run Hiller etc.
I don't necessarily need the staged fights or goons etc. that stuff isn't interesting to me it's the passionate hockey that I like to see. The kind where you're hanging all over Hiller and we give you a good face washing and sit you on your ass. I would say I most definitely live in the area and spend a lot of money supporting the team.
Oh sorry, didn't realise not wanting to dress an entire roster of goons made me anti-fighting. My bad.
I'm like many, I do want a tough team that sticks up for itself etc, but they have to be able to play hockey. Not be generally useless like Parros for example.
I've seen enough ducks games to know they play their best when they are physical. Everyone should agree with that
In the past, I'd agree. With the current roster? I'm not so sure. This team doesn't look built around that type of play. I don't think we should try to make the team something they are not.
Which doesn't means that I'm happy with things. I still don't see this team as having much of an identity.
I still don't see this team as having much of an identity.
I'm sure it will come into focus near the end of next season's camp. I'm curious to see what Boudreau assembles when all of the options are on the table.
Oh sorry, didn't realise not wanting to dress an entire roster of goons made me anti-fighting. My bad.
I'm like many, I do want a tough team that sticks up for itself etc, but they have to be able to play hockey. Not be generally useless like Parros for example.
In the past, I'd agree. With the current roster? I'm not so sure. This team doesn't look built around that type of play. I don't think we should try to make the team something they are not.
Which doesn't means that I'm happy with things. I still don't see this team as having much of an identity.
Getzlaf Perry and Ryan the players this team is built around all feed of physical play and fighting
If anyone is watching the Bruins game I'm going to flip s*** if that's goal.
WHAT???? Same exact scenario as Cogs last night but the Bruins player actually prevented Roloson and ran into him from making a save... And it's a goal
Getzlaf Perry and Ryan the players this team is built around all feed of physical play and fighting
Since 08-09 Ryan has 3 regular season fights, Getzlaf has 9 and Perry has 10.
Hit totals the last 4 years (this year first)
R 110, 156, 127, 78
P 78, 64, 93, 109
G 175, 189, 178, 134
Getzlaf hits, but his fight totals have never been high and have dropped the last 2 years. Perry has become a much less physical player as far as hitting and fighting and it's a stretch to even call him a power forward at this point - however the Hart trophy says that really doesn't matter. Ryan doesn't fight unless it's a line brawl game, and he's not much of a hitter for a power forward. Brown has 285, Callahan 265, Lucic 262, Kunitz 207, Backes 204 - this year.
If you're saying they only play well when the REST of the team is hitting and fighting, well, they really aren't star players then. Do your own work. If they actually feed off of Parros' staged fights, I'm not sure why your teammate getting beaten up inspires you - Parros gets credit for being willing to fight anyone, but he inspires zero fear and if he gets a draw it's a good fight. If you want to say they were better when the likes of Moen and May were running around fighting punitively, I won't argue, but that doesn't help Parros' case. Other teams with heavies weren't even starting them against the Ducks this year, so the thought that are players were afraid of the other heavies holds no water.
They need some 4th liners who are mean/borderline psychopaths if they want to go that route. Parros and his 6:12 of ice time just mean the top line gets overworked every night. Fan favorite but he's a dinosaur. Being skilled only when there's no player within 20 feet of you is pretty worthless as a 4th liner.
If anyone is watching the Bruins game I'm going to flip s*** if that's goal.
WHAT???? Same exact scenario as Cogs last night but the Bruins player actually prevented Roloson and ran into him from making a save... And it's a goal
**** u refs
It's NHL, what do you expect?
And to think there are smartasses in that thread that were claiming goals like that are an "automatic waive-off".
Remember when H.Sedin knocked Hiller down with his knee going through the crease? Or when Jimmi Howard skated out of the crease and fell down by colliding with Perry on his own accord? And so on, and so on...
Getzlaf Perry and Ryan the players this team is built around all feed of physical play and fighting
No, they really aren't. The physical aspect? Sure, I'll grant that Perry and Getzlaf seem to be more effective players when they engage physically. Ryan? Not so much. He plays much smaller than he is. As for fighting? No. They don't fight very often, and they shouldn't. You don't want your best players in the box for 5 minutes.
That also doesn't make the entire team better when they are physical and/or fighting. In no way does one equate to the other. They might be three of the core players on the team, but they aren't the entire team. Players like Visnovsky, Fowler, Sbisa, Selanne, Koivu, Blake, and so on... also make up the team. That isn't a line-up that is going to intimidate teams physically, and when they beat you on the scoreboard it isn't going to be because they attempt to do so on the ice. It's going to be because they are talented hockey players.
With respect, on the ice, I think he's pretty close to useless. You might point to the skills competition as an argument against that, but that's just a skills competition. Shooting 4 for 4 at targets doesn't mean a whole lot during an actual game.
Parros is actually proof of that. What does he have to show for it? If he didn't drop the gloves, would he even be a fringe player in the NHL? I doubt it. He's never had more than 10 points, he's not a particularly good hitter, and as a fighter I'm not convinced he's actually a heavyweight except in name only. He doesn't seem to intimidate anyone, and he seems to lose more fights than he wins.
I think he's a great person, and I hope he stays with the organization in some capacity, but as a player, I really think he's just taking up a spot for someone else.
I'm sure it will come into focus near the end of next season's camp. I'm curious to see what Boudreau assembles when all of the options are on the table.
That was more a backhanded slap at Murray than it was Boudreau. I was never a big believer that Carlyle was the problem, and I honestly believe Murray cut him loose to save his own ass, but what's done is done. Boudreau is the coach now, and I think he deserves his chance. I think, at least in my opinion, what we've seen so far with him coaching is that the players were the issue. Murray threatened them, and they played for their jobs. Now that their jobs are safe, we're seeing a lot of the same crap. Except for Hiller, who just looks like he's Hiller again.
I'm rambling a bit. Basically, Boudreau hasn't had enough time. This team was never going to turn it around strictly because they changed the coach. Hell, Hiller getting back to form had a much bigger impact on the results than the coaching change did, which is what I've been preaching all along. This falls on the players. I'm sure Boudreau has some ideas on what direction the team needs to head, and I'm sure he'll express those ideas to Murray... who is the person I think needs to be put under the spotlight. It's Murray's job to give Boudreau a team that can compete, and I think the identity starts with Murray. It certainly did with Burke, and the other Murray before him. After that, I think it falls to the coach and the players, but I absolutely believe it starts with the GM.
It's not all Murray, of course. The players need to be held accountable too, and this season they just haven't been good enough. I just don't think Murray has done a good enough job in the off-season. Too often I feel like Murray is having to fix problems of his own making; patching holes that he left open, or actually created. That type of thing. Not that Burke was perfect. Far from it. I just felt like Burke was more proactive about fixing the problems(sometimes to a fault), where Murray is just reacting to problems as they crop up, but for the most part is willing to let things stagnate(the 2nd line comes to mind here).
