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03-25-2012, 03:38 PM
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Oilers record with/without RNH?

I had a request on Twitter for the Oilers record with and without RNH in the lineup. I haven't been able to dig it up and was wondering if it had already been posted somewhere on this board, or if anyone happened to have the stat handy.

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Someone else figured it out in the Calder Watch Thread, so no credit to me.

Oilers with RNH: 23-24-4

Oilers without: 6-12-3

Assuming we win today (seems like we will up 5-2 on CBJ) it's at .500

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03-25-2012, 03:47 PM
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I had...

With:

23-25-7

Without:

7-10-3

Also, Reynard had RNH missing 21 games instead of 20.

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What's the with/without Horcoff?

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Obviously Landeskog has a better plus minus, but if we continue to win through until the end of the season this is a stat that may help RNH edge into a Calder trophy. If we end up above 500 with him in the lineup I think that speaks volumes.

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1/3 0-1
1/5 0-2
1/7 0-3
1/11 0-3-1OT
1/13 0-4-1
1/15 1-4-1
1/17 1-5-1
1/19 1-6-1
1/21 1-7-1
1/23 2-7-1 SJ
1/24 2-7-1-1SO
1/31 3-7-1-1 Col
2/2 4-7-1-1 Chi
2/8 4-8-1-1
2/11 5-8-1-1 Ott
2/15 5-8-2OT-1SO
2/17 5-9-2-1 Col.
2/19 5-10-2-1 Van
2/21 6-10-2-1 Cal
2/23 7-10-2OT-1SO Philly

Total record without RNH = 20gp. 7-10-2OT-1SO 17points

With RNH = 56gp. 24-26-6 54 points

20GF in January w/out RNH
36GA in January I'm not including SO GF/GA as that is a bogus stat IMO

28GF/24GA in February w/out RNH

Total 48GF and 60GA w/out RNH

With RNH exluding SO GF/GA = 154GF/158GA

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03-25-2012, 07:02 PM
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So...

With: 0.482
Without: 0.425

I actually thought it would have been a bigger difference.

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What are the offensive numbers (PP numbers?) like with him in and out of the line up?

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What are the offensive numbers (PP numbers?) like with him in and out of the line up?
Probably very similar. Hall really stepped up when RNH got hurt.

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Kind of shocked that the difference isn't more. I guess by the end of the season it might be bigger though. His faceoffs are still not great though. 30% today and 38% on the season.

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What's the with/without Horcoff?
Haha awesome.



Im guessing we have a playoff team record with Horc's out of the lineup.

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Haha awesome.



Im guessing we have a playoff team record with Horc's out of the lineup.
1-0. We're on pace for a 164 point season without Horcoff.

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Kind of OT but we are 13-10-5 since Whitney came back (18-26-4 before that). I realize he came back previously, but it was pretty obvious that he wasnt healed yet then.

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Don't forget our record with/without Ryan Stone.

Tencer was especially fond of that one. Until it stopped working.

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Don't forget our record with/without Ryan Stone.

Tencer was especially fond of that one. Until it stopped working.
Haha. Yeah, I remember that one. We won five straight games on the road and Stovetop Stauffer wouldn't shut up about 'the Ryan Stone factor'. It got to the point I was shouting at the radio, "correlation does not equate causality!'

I mean, seriously, what's our winning % w/wo Omark in the lineup? Hartikainen? Etc...

It's a team game, and unless your name is Malkin, I'm not sure you should be taking credit for a team's win percentage.

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With: 0.482
Without: 0.425

I actually thought it would have been a bigger difference.
To me for an 18 year old rookie to make a .077 difference is huge. To, by himself, give his team 6 extra points over a season in his rookie year is pretty impressive. That's the difference from being 11th to 3rd in the West conference or the difference from Calgary looking like it's not going to be a playoff team, to pretty firmly entrenched in 7th place.

Also sample size too small, yadda yadda yadda.....

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It's more like, is the difference statistically significant. If you cannot rule out the extra 6 points due to luck or random chance, then it's irrelevant.

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It's more like, is the difference statistically significant. If you cannot rule out the extra 6 points due to luck or random chance, then it's irrelevant.
Do you feel that we are a better team with Gagner and Horcoff as our top 2 centers or with RNH and Gagner as our top 2 centers? I am no Gagner fan, but IMO that is a pretty easy question to answer. Also of note our GF w/out RNH = 2.4 and our GA = 3.0, with him GF = 2.75 and our GA = 2.82

That's a goal differential of +0.53. -0.60 Vs. - 0.07 is a HUGE difference, and is the difference between being in games and not being in games. Saying that it could be "luck" is trying to brush something aside that has solid evidence that says otherwise.

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Even if he wasn't hurt and had ~65 pts so far. There would still be detractors who point to langskog making the Avs more competitive. Look at karlsson, he is miles ahead of the next closest Dman in points and most "experts" want to give the Norris to Shea Weber.

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Do you feel that we are a better team with Gagner and Horcoff as our top 2 centers or with RNH and Gagner as our top 2 centers? I am no Gagner fan, but IMO that is a pretty easy question to answer. Also of note our GF w/out RNH = 2.4 and our GA = 3.0, with him GF = 2.75 and our GA = 2.82
That's nice and all, but has little bearing on the question that was posed.

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That's a goal differential of +0.53. -0.60 Vs. - 0.07 is a HUGE difference, and is the difference between being in games and not being in games. Saying that it could be "luck" is trying to brush something aside that has solid evidence that says otherwise.
I can't be bothered to actually determine the statistical significance, but my hunch is that 6 extra points simply by having RNH in the lineup is not statistically significant.

I do feel that the team is much better with RNH in the lineup, and prefer to hold the (unsubstantiated) belief that his contributions this season are not really reflected (unfortunately) in the club's win-loss column. This isn't a slight on Hopkins and I think he's going to be an excellent player. It's more a statement of "I think looking at the raw winning percentages doesn't really tell us very much" rather than a knock against RNH's contributions to the team.

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