Kimota2 and Kimota3 seem like pretty nice fellas in my book. Although Kimota4 comes off as some snoby lefty three-hugger.
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Just kidding Kimota, I appreciate your posts around here and I know you love the Habs. I'm eagerly awaiting the Nords arrival as well, mostly because I believe it's the kick in the ass this organisation sorely needs.
It's gonna be War babby! Watch out.
(As far as wich side i'm gonna be in, I have no idea)
I'd be surprised if they NHL would allow that for safety reasons.
Yeah and I think that it's a terrible idea. I think it's safe to say that the arena will be the nicest looking arena in the league and in the whole world.
Like I said on another thread, unless Molson doesn't turn this around culturally, I see Habs fans shifting towards being Quebec fans. And frankly, it won't be funny. You'll be attending Habs games and I envision seeing more Quebec fans than Habs fans. Slowly but surely, the Nords will influx a local flavor to the team without destroying it. Phoenix have a prett good base of players that will make them pretty tough to play against real soon. But the rivalry won't be there as much as it was before, because before there were a lot more local players on each team. And people would NEVER changed allegeance. While I don't believe it's the case right now. Since the Nords left, this Habs team have never been nothing else but dissapointing. And lately, they are dissapointing AND people aren't feeling attached to it as they once were. If nothing is done in that department, people will shift. And for whoever says good riddance, you are just downplaying the number of people who will. And are actually underestimating Quebecor which you should never do.
Personnally, I think that the greatest of news that the Habs could have had, was to see Quebecor buy the team and not Molson. That way, I don't see the Nords coming back that soon. And I tell you, the Nords coming back will have a way more negative effect than Péladeau owning the team. 'Cause for whoever didn't want Péladeau to own the team because he'd be just satisfied to make this team way too "local", well you'll see what Molson will do. And frankly, if Péladeau would have had a press release saying that he is deeply sorry about the Cunneyworth's hiring, most people in here would have called him all sorts of ugly names.
I will always be a Habs fan. Will never change my allegeance. But they better act accordingly and realize what the market is all about. Or let's say what the market will be about. Yeah, winning is the most important. But you don't win first and then build a team. You build first, and how you build it is key. And if you need time, well there's only one way to build it. You have to gain the confidence back. You have to make sure that those fans are proud to be associate with your team. You have to get some local talent in, the good ones. And then, you have to win.
Excellent post. Shows clarity of vision and understanding of the environment. Like you, I will never change allegiance but the landscape of Hockey in Quebec will be greatly modified and Montreal needs to adapt and use the one advantage it has, to act before the Nords are back in town. Sadly, much liked in 1979, everyone is either unaware or dismissive of the potential impact a hockey team in Quebec city will have on the Canadians. If we do not take the opportunity to act now, we will be relegated to playing catch up to the Nords who will likely come with an aggressive approach, much like after their arrive in 1979. People dismiss me for being a supporter of a Bilingual GM and Coach as they see it as French bigotry. It is unfortunate that they cannot see further than the tip of their nose (perhaps are they too young to know or remember the early 80s?) and not realise that a team in Quebec city will have a potentially big impact on the Habs from an operational standpoint, fan base standpoint, marketing and revenues standpoint and media coverage standpoint. The potential lose of $$ due to a smaller fan base buying tickets and promotional articles may translate in less advertisement revenues and less money to sign players (it is not a stretch, we saw that before). Additionally, the media will then be split between two franchise and will not have the ability as it does now to stock the fire of support for the habs quite to the same levels....
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Just an awful trade 37 wendel clarke games for 1000 mats sundin games
Well not quite. Clark was traded to the Islanders over the off-season for the rights to Claude Lemieux, who had been traded by the Devils because of a contract dispute. So the Avs definitely did benefit from it. Lemieux was a better playoff performer than Sundin ever could be.
You also forget to say that all upper portion arena tickets were practically free (I went to so many games because of this since they were like 10 or 15$) and like Montreal in the late '90, there was an higher % of tickets given to enterprise than actual bought tickets and jerseys/merchandises revenue were low since nobody bought them, which didn't help in turn the USA/Canada currency conversion since income were pretty low and it pretty much set the table for the team to be sold.
Actually, the Nordiques situation is the same one the Expos faced in the MLB minus the stupid owner.
Don't get me wrong, I want to Nordiques back as much as anyone else, but don't put blind statement just because of the hype.
Yeah I've watched several videos on Youtube and they highlighted the Nords woes. They practically had to give some tickets away to sell out in those lean 1988-92 years. The husband of a friend of my mom's from Quebec said he remembered when he did business in Quebec city, they'd be leaving them on the car windshields as promotional giveaways. He may have been exaggerating but they certainly were not a hot ticket. I think they can sustain success but it'll be just like Winnipeg: they'll need to spend to the cap floor and constantly sell out to break even.
Yeah I've watched several videos on Youtube and they highlighted the Nords woes. They practically had to give some tickets away to sell out in those lean 1988-92 years. The husband of a friend of my mom's from Quebec said he remembered when he did business in Quebec city, they'd be leaving them on the car windshields as promotional giveaways. He may have been exaggerating but they certainly were not a hot ticket. I think they can sustain success but it'll be just like Winnipeg: they'll need to spend to the cap floor and constantly sell out to break even.
Actually, I am not sure I agree with this. Dont forget that the Nordiques were playing in a very unattractive Colisée with little to no corporate box and none of the convinience a pro sports facility needs to attract fans. Many sports teams have change their fortune with state of the art brand new facilities. Quebec will be no exception. Its a great hockey town that I will learn to hate again as it was the case before....
Actually, I am not sure I agree with this. Dont forget that the Nordiques were playing in a very unattractive Colisée with little to no corporate box and none of the convinience a pro sports facility needs to attract fans. Many sports teams have change their fortune with state of the art brand new facilities. Quebec will be no exception. Its a great hockey town that I will learn to hate again as it was the case before....
It's just weird how the NHL goes from crying poor 8 years ago and now says all its teams are healthy. Come July they'll be singing a different tune as they attempt to reduce player salaries even further for the new CBA. It's not a big market we're talking about here but they can definitely cut into the Habs market. There's this hype about the Habs being doormats (when last season was our first bad one in a decade) and that a new team will change all that and you'll love the Coyotes if they move to Qc. so why not forget those rotten, lousy Habs? Alternately we're blasted for a bad team and for not addressing "local flavour" well enough. But if people would come to the realization it's not the glory days anymore and the Habs may never be the league's dominant franchise ever again, they can tolerate this.
Unlike places like Toronto and Vancouver which are in major cup droughts, the angriness over not having a winner stems from people in the area being spoiled. 24 Cups gives fans a sense of entitlement and when there don't appear to be any on the horizon nor one from recently, people get fussy. Fact is, in a 30 team NHL where the media attention is drastically different across the spectrum, it ain't easy to win a Cup. Recent history shows that playing where hockey is not the #1 sport can increase the ability to win and breed easier development for players not under the microscope from the get-go. It's conceivable the Habs go another 4-5 decades without a Cup. Sad i know, but looking around at the Cupless streaks, very possible. Especially considering the fish bowl environment that seemed to generate excellence once upon a time but now only causes turmoil."Only" a single 3rd round appearance since 1993 ain't great but it ain't the worst in the league.
And remember how incredibly excited the city got for that? Hell the Nords made it to that stage just twice in 16 years. They had a younger fanbase but were always 2nd class to the Habs. Other than a brief shining moment from 1982-85, no one should have ever compared how well the Nords were run to how well the Habs were run. But of course there has to be a payoff. If this is the reaction now, I shudder to see how people would treat an Islanders-like club cause man, that is true suffering. On one hand, Montreal hockey fans are great cause they wouldn't stand for it and just let it happen. On the other hand I'm wondering just how great they are if this season supposedly has so many people willing to jump ship to a new Yotes team if it moves to Quebec city. Then again, maybe those people have been waiting for a while to jump ship. If Francophone fans abandon the Habs for the new Nords with promises of not only a better team but a better quotient of French players, then let 'em go. Let's see Peladeau do it because there hasn't been a team to win the Cup with over 6 French-Canadian players on their roster since... the 1993 Habs (who had 11 which is six more by the way than what the Nordiques, a very Euro-flavoured club, had).
It'd be risky to try and horde all the best Q talent or force fringe NHL'ers in there for the sake of winning with cultural pride. In soccer they don't have this issue. Even English premiership club teams draw on players from all over the world but no one cares if their team is a Manchester United or Chelsea or what have you. Europeans seem to have put the ethnic issue on the backburner in how to construct a team. All I know is the Coyotes wouldn't be as good right off the bat cause they'd likely get a new GM and maybe even replace Tippett and to me, he's the key to it all. Without him, they're not close to where they are now. Either way should be fun to have a rival within the province but i dread all the ******** that'll come with it. As if the ******** surrounding the Habs now is not annoying enough. For fans outside MTL who don't live with this situation, it can be very annoying and trying. I can't criticize those who grow up today and don't choose the Habs as their favourite team. i wouldn't blame em. I'd say they're better off as Wings or Penguins fans but me, I won't abandon my team for trendy favourites. No way, no how. I'll be a fan of this team till I die.
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It's just weird how the NHL goes from crying poor 8 years ago and now says all its teams are healthy. Come July they'll be singing a different tune as they attempt to reduce player salaries even further for the new CBA. It's not a big market we're talking about here but they can definitely cut into the Habs market. There's this hype about the Habs being doormats (when last season was our first bad one in a decade) and that a new team will change all that and you'll love the Coyotes if they move to Qc. so why not forget those rotten, lousy Habs? Alternately we're blasted for a bad team and for not addressing "local flavour" well enough. But if people would come to the realization it's not the glory days anymore and the Habs may never be the league's dominant franchise ever again, they can tolerate this. Unlike places like Toronto and Vancouver which are in major cup draughts, the angriness over not having a winner stems from people in the area being spoiled.
24 Cups gives fans a sense of entitlement and when there don't appear to be any on the horizon nor one from recently, people get fussy. Fact is, in a 30 team NHL where the media attention is drastically different across the spectrum, it ain't easy to win a Cup. Recent history shows that playing where hockey is not the #1 sport can increase the ability to win and breed easier development for players not under the microscope from the get-go. It's conceivable the Habs go another 4-5 decades without a Cup. Sad i know, but looking around at the Cupless streaks, very possible. Especially considering the fish bowl environment that seemed to generate excellence once upon a time but now only causes turmoil."Only" a single 3rd round appearance since 1993 ain't great but it ain't the worst in the league. And remember how incredibly excited the city got for that? Hell the Nords made it to that stage just twice in 16 years. They had a younger fanbase but were always 2nd class to the Habs.
Other than a brief shining moment from 1982-85, no one should have ever compared how well the Nords were run to how well the Habs were run. But of course there has to be a payoff. If this is the reaction now, I shudder to see how people would treat an Islanders-like club cause man, that is true suffering. On one hand, Montreal hockey fans are great cause they wouldn't stand for it and just let it happen. On the other hand I'm wondering just how great they are if this season supposedly has so many people willing to jump ship to a new Yotes team if it moves to Quebec city. Then again, maybe those people have been waiting for a while. All I know is the Coyotes wouldn't be as good right off the bat cause they'd likely get a new GM and maybe even replace Tippett and to me, he's the key to it all. Without him, they're not close to where they are now.
Either way should be fun to have a rival within the province but i dread all the ******** that'll come with it. As if the ******** surrounding the Habs now is not annoying enough. For fans outside MTL who don't live with this situation, it can be very annoying and trying. I can't criticize those who grow up today and don't choose the Habs as their favourite team. i wouldn't blame em. I'd say they're better off as Wings or Penguins fans but me, I won't abandon my team for trendy favourites. No way, no how. I'll be a fan of this team till I die.
Well I am sure most of the die hard fans and those who lived the old days feel exactly that way.
Well I am sure most of the die hard fans and those who lived the old days feel exactly that way.
i hope so. The Stanley Cup may be the hardest trophy to win in club league play in the entire world. In premiership soccer, the big clubs that win tend to be of a select few. And they have massive budgets that dwarf teams in every other sport in the world. Man. United has a much easier time than even the best run and one of the most profitable NHL teams, the Wings, ever will. Especially since the cap, there is a huge variety of teams that can win. All you need to know is that there have been 14 different winners of the Cup in the last 14 years, comprised of 10 teams doing the sharing of this glory.
