On February 2, 1990, with a record of 9-36-6, the club fired general manager Martin Madden Sr., and replaced him on an interim basis with former general manager Maurice Filion. Under Filion, the Nordiques traded away Michel Goulet, Greg Millen and a sixth round draft pick in the 1991 NHL Entry Draft to the Chicago Blackhawks for Everett Sanipass, Mario Doyon, and Dan Vincelette. The trades continued, as team captain Peter Stastny was traded to the New Jersey Devils for Craig Wolanin and future considerations, which turned out to be Randy Velischek.
I can't wait for the "Nords worst trades" thread to show up.
Habs are -5 (win/loss diff.). I've seen a lot worse in the last 20 years of the Habs. People use the standings to show that they are the worse, but it's completely skewed by not looking at the numbers. I wonder if people realize that the Habs will set records, for best win-loss differential for a 28th or 29th place team, and best GF GA ratio for a 28th or 29th team. Yet when you look at Quebecors headlines, we only hear about the 15th place in the east (but not about the strongest 15th place in history), and they spout what you just said (an entire generation has never seen as worse) which is completely untrue when it comes to win-loss record and GF GA differential. Hell, the 00-01 Habs finished 8th in the conference with a -27 GF/GA. The 98-99-00-02-03 Habs were all far worse as teams and their outputs.
But that's what happens when you only listen to pundits and not try to figure things out for yourself, looking through all the facts you can manage to get your hands on.
It is quite obvious that Quebecor is milking the Habs rough season.
But hey, I believe in karma, so I'm not too worried.
Didn't know that RDS was run by Quebecor. Nor was Cyberpresse. And I don't have to remind you that when Réjean Tremblay was NOT a Quebecor product, he loves to bash the Habs just as much. People don't use the standings. People use the 1 3rd round since the last Cup reality. And believing in karma? Good luck with that. Unless you want to use that whenever it pleases you, such thing don't exist. What is our karma for being so mediocre for the past 18 years? It's our karma for having been so good before?
Unbelievable 31Points with 2 hall of famers in the line up and one guy reaching 100 points
... who is also soon to be a HOF.
I'm ashamed to admit that season was pure joy as a Habs fan.
If you think this season was bad with all the blown leads, I think I remember there was NEVER a lead too big for the Nords that year. I remember a game they were up like 8-3 and in full control and then lost 9-8. Just about everything that could go wrong went wrong.
Edit: did some fact-checking. i correctly remembered it was the Flames but the game ended 8-8. still, it was a sign of things to come...
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February 6, 1990 2–12 Nordiques @ Washington Capitals (1989–90)
It was Scott Gordon birthday and to celebrate him they kept him in net for the 12 goals. Thanks Michel, great gift! I see myself sitting on the couch feeling sorry for him.
Who suffered the most from the 2008 economical crisis ? USA.
How many teams have left so far ? 0
Huh ? Atlanta ? And it's actually the second time they lost a team to Canada...
Then, you had other teams relocating in the US : Minny actually paved the way to "Sunbelt" for the Nords, the Jets and the Whalers. Going further back, Colorado had lost a team too (after getting it from Kansas City) and then there are the legendary California (Golden) Seals / Cleveland Barons who eventually folded and merged with the North Stars.
Here you have all the post-Original 6 franchise moves. When you look at the big picture, it's not that bad for Canada compared to US : Calgary gained a team, Winnipeg lost its team and got it back, like Minny and Denver. Quebec is bound to have its back sooner or later. South of the border, you have Atlanta who lost 2 teams. And nobody is considering a return to Connecticut, unfortunately.
That is simply not true. Anybody like me who lived in Qc the entire existence of the Nords will tell you that selling tickets was a problem. The marketing department was outstanding at promoting games but they had to always be creative and do promos on the local radio and schools and give away tickets for free or real cheap.
There is no evidence that people in Qc will pay "a lot" to go to a game after the initial euphoria of having a new team dissipates. If it's such a sweet business opportunity, why isn't the private sector the primary investor? Seems like they don't have much skin in the game.
I can't wait for the "Nords worst trades" thread to show up.
I remember this. It was more a fire sale more than anything. Nords sucked and wanted to trade Gou and Peter the quickest way possible to make them happy.
I'm ashamed to admit that season was pure joy as a Habs fan.
If you think this season was bad with all the blown leads, I think I remember there was NEVER a lead too big for the Nords that year. I remember a game they were up like 8-3 and in full control and then lost 9-8. Just about everything that could go wrong went wrong.
Edit: did some fact-checking. i correctly remembered it was the Flames but the game ended 8-8. still, it was a sign of things to come...
Yea I was arguing about this with a Habs poster who said this year was miserable. I told him it could never touch the misery Nords fans suffered during 5 years of misery, finishing last, especially those 31 points. As a Habs fan I didn't hate them anymore. I tool pitty of them.
He now pretty much does the same thing with the Avs here in Denver. You can get good seats for any game you want for $22 (no tax or convenience fees) as long as you order through a school or hockey association website. I've been able to easily get tickets to see the Hawks and Wings for that price. Just think about that next time you try to get tickets to the Bell.
The people here have a similar mentality as those in Qc in the sense that they won't just blow any amount of money on sports. The cup years were the only years the Pepsi Center sold out:
The attendance numbers above are pretty sad and Qc should do better but still the ticket prices won't be near Bell Center level so I expect a cap floor team like the Avs.
He now pretty much does the same thing with the Avs here in Denver. You can get good seats for any game you want for $22 (no tax or convenience fees) as long as you order through a school or hockey association website. I've been able to easily get tickets to see the Hawks and Wings for that price. Just think about that next time you try to get tickets to the Bell.
The people here have a similar mentality as those in Qc in the sense that they won't just blow any amount of money on sports. The cup years were the only years the Pepsi Center sold out:
The attendance numbers above are pretty sad and Qc should do better but still the ticket prices won't be near Bell Center level so I expect a cap floor team like the Avs.
That team was very crappy for 5 consecutive years. In a US market, they would had attracted 50% of that.
You also forget to say that all upper portion arena tickets were practically free (I went to so many games because of this since they were like 10 or 15$) and like Montreal in the late '90, there was an higher % of tickets given to enterprise than actual bought tickets and jerseys/merchandises revenue were low since nobody bought them, which didn't help in turn the USA/Canada currency conversion since income were pretty low and it pretty much set the table for the team to be sold.
Actually, the Nordiques situation is the same one the Expos faced in the MLB minus the stupid owner.
Don't get me wrong, I want to Nordiques back as much as anyone else, but don't put blind statement just because of the hype.
You also forget to say that all upper portion arena tickets were practically free (I went to so many games because of this since they were like 10 or 15$) and like Montreal in the late '90, there was an higher % of tickets given to enterprise than actual bought tickets and jerseys/merchandises revenue were low since nobody bought them, which didn't help in turn the USA/Canada currency conversion since income were pretty low and it pretty much set the table for the team to be sold.
Actually, the Nordiques situation is the same one the Expos faced in the MLB minus the stupid owner.
Don't get me wrong, I want to Nordiques back as much as anyone else, but don't put blind statement just because of the hype.
We're not in 1995 anymore. Quebec has only a 5% unemployment rate and had changed tremendously in the last decade.
He now pretty much does the same thing with the Avs here in Denver. You can get good seats for any game you want for $22 (no tax or convenience fees) as long as you order through a school or hockey association website. I've been able to easily get tickets to see the Hawks and Wings for that price. Just think about that next time you try to get tickets to the Bell.
The people here have a similar mentality as those in Qc in the sense that they won't just blow any amount of money on sports. The cup years were the only years the Pepsi Center sold out:
The attendance numbers above are pretty sad and Qc should do better but still the ticket prices won't be near Bell Center level so I expect a cap floor team like the Avs.
I'm not saying Aubut's team were not genius at marketing. But they had great attendances numbers every year for a club that was last 5 years in a row.
You also forget to say that all upper portion arena tickets were practically free (I went to so many games because of this since they were like 10 or 15$) and like Montreal in the late '90, there was an higher % of tickets given to enterprise than actual bought tickets and jerseys/merchandises revenue were low since nobody bought them, which didn't help in turn the USA/Canada currency conversion since income were pretty low and it pretty much set the table for the team to be sold.
Actually, the Nordiques situation is the same one the Expos faced in the MLB minus the stupid owner.
Don't get me wrong, I want to Nordiques back as much as anyone else, but don't put blind statement just because of the hype.
15 thousand in 89-90 and they finished last. It's kind of a miracle, IMO.
15 thousand in 89-90 and they finished last. It's kind of a miracle, IMO.
it just shows how badly ppl want it, by now. I think there was an article or two about how the canadian teams were getting rick rolled by the performance of the american dollar back then... im pretty sure that alone solves 75% of the financial problems they had back in the days. Moving teams to the US probably made more sense back then.
it just shows how badly ppl want it, by now. I think there was an article or two about how the canadian teams were getting rick rolled by the performance of the american dollar back then... im pretty sure that alone solves 75% of the financial problems they had back in the days. Moving teams to the US probably made more sense back then.
The Quebec Premier at the time Jacques Parizeau wanted to buy a share of the Nords with the Province adminstrating the team. He was convinced they could survive and do well without spending for a new arena. I wonder if it would have worked. Look at the Pens, they stayed in their old arena for years.
