Well... Just wondering when hell get a chance to actually play. Statistically he is having a worse season than Paul Bissonette. He is currently -24 with an ATOI of 9:45... how is that even possible. What should they do? I was thinking maybe they should give him top line minutes for the rest of the season since it doesn't matter anyway.
Well... Just wondering when hell get a chance to actually play. Statistically he is having a worse season than Paul Bissonette. He is currently -24 with an ATOI of 9:45... how is that even possible. What should they do? I was thinking maybe they should give him top line minutes for the rest of the season since it doesn't matter anyway.
He definitely needs time to develop in the AHL in my opinion. He is very very raw and you can see it when he plays, shows flashes but has a lot of things to fine tune. It also hurts that he isn't exactly playing with anyone who will help him develop his game, he needs to play along side vets or good players who will help him produce.
It kills me to say this but I really think El Nino is going to be a total bust! I know he is still very young and should be in JR instead of the NHL but he just looks so lost out there. I see very little hockey sense, not much puck skill and a lack of speed. He has an ok/good wrist shot but is never near the net to really use it. Can play the body from time to time. I need to see him crash the net with the puck and go into the dirty areas. (really never happens) Seems to lack desire!
It's awfully embarrassing to see how Snow and co. handled Nino's development this season. It's a complete mess. To tops all he has been a healthy scratch for several games lately while Pawdulfo and Reasoner are playing full time. I know he shouldn't be playing on the 4th line but at this point in the season, it's better than eating hot dogs in the luxury box.
Argueably the player that had the worst season in the whole NHL this year.
I'm not calling him the worst player in the league, just the one with the worst season.
Reasoner, Rolston, Jody Shelly, John Scott, and various other fringe AHL/ECHL players did not have as bad a season as Nino.
Let's hope that the saying "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" has some truth because Nino has to feel pain, frustration, embarressment after this year.
He better be in Bridgeport next year with a good perpective an what he needs to do to work his way to the NHL or he will be done for.
It kills me to say this but I really think El Nino is going to be a total bust! I know he is still very young and should be in JR instead of the NHL but he just looks so lost out there. I see very little hockey sense, not much puck skill and a lack of speed. He has an ok/good wrist shot but is never near the net to really use it. Can play the body from time to time. I need to see him crash the net with the puck and go into the dirty areas. (really never happens) Seems to lack desire!
I HOPE I AM WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm pretty sure it didn't kill you.
Considering who he had to play with all season, I'd just be happy that he can at least have an idea of what it will take to compete here. Let's hope he works hard in the off-season on power skating.
If he looks exactly the same at the start of next season and is still playing on the Isles, then you can at least have a small cause for concern. Even at that point, the kid would still be very young.
I would use caution when building projections based on what we've seen of Nino this season.
It will be a travesty if he isn't in Bridgeport ALL SEASON next year. He shouldn't even be a call up incase of injury. He needs to get 17+ minutes a night every single game next year.
I will be so disappointed if he's in the NHL next year.
Well... Just wondering when hell get a chance to actually play. Statistically he is having a worse season than Paul Bissonette. He is currently -24 with an ATOI of 9:45... how is that even possible. What should they do? I was thinking maybe they should give him top line minutes for the rest of the season since it doesn't matter anyway.
With 7 games left in the season,does it really matter now?
Bring him to camp next season,let him compete for a spot,then send him to Bridgeport for the season.The kid's confidence is probably shot at this point.
It will be a travesty if he isn't in Bridgeport ALL SEASON next year. He shouldn't even be a call up incase of injury. He needs to get 17+ minutes a night every single game next year.
I will be so disappointed if he's in the NHL next year.
If the cap floor goes up, one would think that he'd be on the Island. That's the only reason why he's here now.
Put him on a line with Moulson and Tavares and go with it
Why? So there can be 2 wingers on that line who can't carry the puck through the neutral zone? They were together during training camp & they were lousy.
Nino doesn't belong here. He belongs on the right side of Sven Bartschi playing for the Portland Winterhawks. Flames did the right thing with their top prospect (who oh yeah, has had a better junior career then Mr. he can't learn anything else in juniors).
Why? So there can be 2 wingers on that line who can't carry the puck through the neutral zone? They were together during training camp & they were lousy.
Nino doesn't belong here. He belongs on the right side of Sven Bartschi playing for the Portland Winterhawks. Flames did the right thing with their top prospect (who oh yeah, has had a better junior career then Mr. he can't learn anything else in juniors).
Is he Mr. He's Done All He Can In Junior's cousin?
Islanders.....keeping it in the family.
I hope Strome centers Nino and Nelson on line 2 next year.
Bring him to camp next season,let him compete for a spot,then send him to Bridgeport for the season.
you want to let him compete for a spot on long island and then just send him to the minors? what if he wins that spot on long island? do you still send him down?
if you take a kid fresh out of jr hockey, give him the good life of playing in the big league for a year ( a job he did not deserve or earn ) and then tell him hes going to the minors for his second year, you will have one hell of a time re-signing him when his contract is up. i dont give a **** if hes a restricted free agent or an unrestricted free agent, he will remember that and will look to haul ass at the first chance he gets........
you dont even put the idea of being on long island next year in his head. you tell him as soon as this season ends that hes playing in bridgeport next year. he will probably hate you......for a few weeks. until his friends and family tell him that this move is actually for his best interest.
Hope he at least starts in the AHL next year and if he lights it up to show he belongs in the NHL and gets his confidence back bring him up mid year. However, a full year in the AHL won't kill him and may be best in the long run.
It kills me to say this but I really think El Nino is going to be a total bust! I know he is still very young and should be in JR instead of the NHL but he just looks so lost out there. I see very little hockey sense, not much puck skill and a lack of speed. He has an ok/good wrist shot but is never near the net to really use it. Can play the body from time to time. I need to see him crash the net with the puck and go into the dirty areas. (really never happens) Seems to lack desire!
I HOPE I AM WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You cannot evaluate a player until they physically mature. To me this kid looks like the least conditioned player on the ice. When your conditioning/strength isn't up to par you always look lazy, lack hockey sense, and all the other stuff busts are made of.
You could be right. He could be a bust. However, there was no talk about lack of hockey sense at the junior level. No reason to think he's forgotten how to play hockey. Conditioning and strength however, needs a major overhaul.
I remember leading up to the draft everyone was calling for the Isles to draft Nino and Chris Botta said unless they trade down there is no chance. I think at one point Botta even said he didnt expect him to go in the top 10.
Well there you go. Add him to the pile of Bailey's
Give him to Calgary. We'll take as many elite kids as we can get...especially a nice young power forward. Hell, do it so Baertschi can play with his role model.
On a more serious note, I'd say the Islanders need to put him in a scenario of success, no matter what that success is. Nino is a player who doesn't make those around him better..just finishes plays well. Throwing him on a line of "has been" fringe NHLers who can't feed him offensively is just asking for a situation like this to happen.
I know before on the Islanders forum I stated that if he's going to be at the NHL level because of this illness called "Wang-itis", that he would have been best served development on the 3rd line. 4th line helps nobody.
One major problem that was going to arise at some point (whenever he would get to the NHL) was physicality. Nino was less physical in the WHL than he is now. It sounds like (I rarely see Islander games...I'm mostly going by reports) he's at least developed a bit of a decent checking ability in the NHL now. Luckily, it means the season wasn't a total waste...just a lot of one because you also shred confidence telling a kid to eat popcorn frequently and have little on-ice success.
If I were Snow (and thank god I'm not), I'd have the coaches tell him to work on his skating all summer. Show up slow or unconditioned and it's off to Bridgeport at the start of training camp. Show up faster and you'll get a shot at top 9 (and I mean a shot...not any of this promised a job business I heard this season). That leaves the ball in his court to see if he's committed and leaves the hope of an NHL job there.
This may be a stupid question, but as the season in the NHL is over now, can Nino play in the AHL now, or can he even go to Portland to join them for the actual playoffs? Or 3rd possibility, will he play for Switzerland in the World Cup?
You cannot evaluate a player until they physically mature. To me this kid looks like the least conditioned player on the ice. When your conditioning/strength isn't up to par you always look lazy, lack hockey sense, and all the other stuff busts are made of.
You could be right. He could be a bust. However, there was no talk about lack of hockey sense at the junior level. No reason to think he's forgotten how to play hockey. Conditioning and strength however, needs a major overhaul.
This year was a complete disaster for him. From the injuries to the lack of progression (and by that I mean regression) I don't know how anyone, well intentioned optimistically or blindly ignorant about the sport in general, can begin to try and defend the organization for keeping him up or pigeon holing him to the 4th line. That bit reminds me of Taylor Pyatt who was a power forward bust if there ever was one, and even he scored 18 points his rookie season playing with crap.
Nino needs a lot of work just like you said. He needs to do it at the Bridge or in Europe where he can get his confidence back and really begin to develop. Watch them keep him here just for the cap space hit though, and watch them continue to destroy him. What a wasteful use of a first round pick.
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