lmfao how is that a bad thing? Reminds you of one of the best players in the game?
Yeah, I found that pretty hilarious. Apparently it's more important to fill your team up with role players like Darren McCarty and Claude Lemieux than top-line players like the Sedins.
I'm an engineer, but ill let it pass due to the childish nature of insulting personally someone to prove a point.
Odds are if RNH played the 22 games, he would have already run away with the trophy. But he got injured, so in the 2011-2012 season, he has not produced more offensively than landy. Not that its only dependent on offensive production as proven by tyler myers 2 years ago.
huh? Or Barret Jackman in 2003... or any goalie ever who has won the Calder (too many goalies have won the Calder, imo... but I don't want to digress)
Tyler Myers didn't prove anything by winning the Calder... if anything he reinforced the idea that the Calder is awarded to the player who is most impressive in his position. Last time I checked, both Landeskog and the Nuge are forwards... and also, the other last time I checked ... no forward has ever won the Calder without leading rookies in points.
he has produced JUST as much as Landeskog so far, and is one pace to produce more... in 20 less games.
If RNH missed games #20-40, and kept up the same .pgg... (which would still have him tied with Landy for #1 among rookies) I 100% guarantee he'd be leading the HFboards Calder race poll right now.
If Landeskog is really as good as a two way player as many you are going on and on about... as the main reason he should win the Calder, despite not producing as consistently as RNH... he must be pretty close to winning the Selke this year. ... since that award is the only award for forwards that isn't mainly about points.
The calder has never been won by a forward who didn't lead rookies in points, and it won't be won by Landeskog if he doesn't lead all rookies in points .... even with such a spectacular two way game.
I'm very impressed with what I have seen of Landeskog this season... but much more impressed with RNH, plain and simple.
so instead of answering my question... you answer with another question... ahh... ok.
fine, I'll answer your question. As far as I know there has NEVER been a rookie (let a lone an 18 year old) who won the Calder while missing 25% of the season. Also, I'm pretty positive, there hasn't been another rookie remotely close to the rookie scoring lead, while missing 25% of the season.
The fact that RNH has missed 25% of the season, and is now tied for rookies in points (was leading by a point yesterday) just makes his rookie season all that more impressive, in my opinion. You're opinion that he produced "negatively" in his missed games is just complete crap, imo... total crap, really.
RNH is 100% the most proficient rookie forward this year, and as long as he stayed tied for the rookie points lead, and especially, if he leads all rookies by game 82, the Calder memorial trophy should be his.
I guess Lemieux never should have won the Hart in 92/93, since he only played 60 games out of a possible 84... right?
Landeskog is without a doubt the player Edmonton should have taken.
RNH is a better point getter, but considering how awful Edmonton is defensively, a player like Landeskog would have done wonders for them.
Who the hell is going to play center for the Oilers for the next 10 years?
Sam Gagner?
No.1 centers like RNH do not come along very often. His ppg as a stick-thin 18-year-old rookie is higher than even Tavares and Seguin's second years and his hockey I.Q. is off the charts. These types of players pretty much never become available in a trade or on the UFA market ever.
Both Edmonton and Colorado absolutely got the exact types of players they needed. If the Oilers want defence, their GM might want to think about actually signing someone better than Cam Barker ... Landeskog isn't doing **** for that defensive group, lol.
i just watched some of the goals that landeskog and RNH scored on sportsnet, and i must say im impressed with Landies shot, hes got a hell of a clapper, he is physical, and an all around great player. But hes never going to be RNH, why? Becuase RNH has the ability to make players around him better. Remeber IQ is a huge part of this game, and its not even a dispute when it comes down to IQ between these two players. And last time i checked, the greatest player in the game had a high IQ, not a tenacity to hit and kill penalties.
no im not comparing RNH to Gretz, but i am comparing IQ to athleticism, and RNH has too much IQ for Lando to make up, while RNH can make up athleticism.
In terms of calder, i dont really care, all i know is those idiots who think we should of taken lando are smoking some strong stuff right now
I won't be upset if Lando won it, I think that he has had more of an impact on the avs than RNH has had on the Oilers (not saying I regret choosing RNH, I'd pick him #1 10/10). Lando has really been a game changer, taking the Avs from 29th overall last season to being in a playoff race in the next season.
Should be interesting and I'm excited to see who they choose as the calder winner
Landeskog is without a doubt the player Edmonton should have taken.
RNH is a better point getter, but considering how awful Edmonton is defensively, a player like Landeskog would have done wonders for them.
I disagree strongly. Edmonton without RNH is down a #1c, arguably the most important position in hockey. RNH is no slouch in the defensive end. He might not be as big or physical as Lando, I'd say the two are close defensively, with RNH being the better offensive threat.
I don't like my teams chances with Sam Gagner and Shawn Horcoff being out top 2 centers
This post tells me that you didn't watch RNH play in the playoffs, you just looked at the stat line and made an assumption. When you have an entire team keying in on you for an entire playoff series, more often than not, you're not going to end up lighting things up. Ask Sidney Crosby about the '09 Finals.
Exactley warriors batte through it , sedin and hopkins werent able to .
i just watched some of the goals that landeskog and RNH scored on sportsnet, and i must say im impressed with Landies shot, hes got a hell of a clapper, he is physical, and an all around great player. But hes never going to be RNH, why? Becuase RNH has the ability to make players around him better. Remeber IQ is a huge part of this game, and its not even a dispute when it comes down to IQ between these two players. And last time i checked, the greatest player in the game had a high IQ, not a tenacity to hit and kill penalties.
no im not comparing RNH to Gretz, but i am comparing IQ to athleticism, and RNH has too much IQ for Lando to make up, while RNH can make up athleticism.
In terms of calder, i dont really care, all i know is those idiots who think we should of taken lando are smoking some strong stuff right now
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i win, you all lose
Landeskog has an extremely high hockey IQ, just like RNH. The only area where RNH blows Landeskog out of the water is his elite vision.
Give the Calder to Landeskog, honestly I really don't care at this point.
Crosby didn't win it in his rookie year either.
But if you're going to say with straight face that what RNH has been able to produce as a skinny 18-year-old this season isn't impressive ... you're full of crap honestly.
Who said it wasn't impressive? He's had a terrific season. Fact is, he's been injured, and you're not helping your team when you're injured. Bäckström for example has a better ppg than Henrique, but has he had a better season? Highly doubtful.
Considering the Oilers will be in the lottery sweepstakes every year for the next while, I'm sure they would've found another #1 C.
I don't see a center coming in the draft better than Nugent Hopkins in the next 2-3 years to be honest. Very doubtful there is one this year, and next year I dunno, MacKinnon is smaller and seems like he'd be more of a fit on the wing IMO.
This is what Yzerman said about RNH the other day:
Quote:
"When I started in the NHL and toward the end of my career, I was more of a playmaker, but Ryan is niftier than I was. He's a little bit taller. He'll be better one-on-one than me because he's got a longer stick, longer reach. He'll be able to put it in guys' skates and through people's sticks ... " said Yzerman.
"He's outstanding. He's got such a mind for the game. His vision is fantastic," said Yzerman, cognizant that it's a very difficult learning curve for 18-year-olds in the NHL, going up against players like Shea Weber and Ryan Suter of the Nashville Predators.
"You're just trying to survive at 18. It's very intimidating, being 18 or 19 years, playing against the top players.
"They're praying for a mistake, waiting to get you out of position. You're matched up against the best players, people like Shea. He's been in the league seven years and he's done a lot.
"Each year, Ryan will get better and more comfortable, I know Stammer (NHL top scorer Steve Stamkos) has," said Yzerman.
There's a reason why Dave Tallon told RNH straight up, that if he wasn't taken by no.3 (Florida's pick) to not even wait to hear his name called, he was automatically going to be their pick. When you have a chance to draft a potential 100 point center with elite hockey I.Q. who has all the tools to play both ends of the ice when he fills out ... you take the damn player and thank your lucky stars you got that pick in the first place.
As good as Hall and Eberle are, neither one was as good as Nugent Hopkins at age 18.
Landeskog is without a doubt the player Edmonton should have taken.
RNH is a better point getter, but considering how awful Edmonton is defensively, a player like Landeskog would have done wonders for them.
Without RNH, this team would not be where they are now. They would not be 4 points out of the bottom 5. They would not have the 2nd ranked PP in the league. They would probably be fighting for another 1st overall pick. I don't hesitate much in saying this.
What would our centre make up be without RNH? Gagner - Horcoff - Belanger - Lander.
RNH will do more for this team than Landeskog, hands down.
Who said it wasn't impressive? He's had a terrific season. Fact is, he's been injured, and you're not helping your team when you're injured. Bäckström for example has a better ppg than Henrique, but has he had a better season? Highly doubtful.
you're (see i listened and learned) missing the point bro. Even if PPG doesnt matter (which it does for the record, Backstrom and henrique aren't even comparable, espeically this season), RNH still has lando beat in points.
you're (see i listened and learned) missing the point bro. Even if PPG doesnt matter (which it does for the record, Backstrom and henrique aren't even comparable, espeically this season), RNH still has lando beat in points.
so PPG or not, doesn't really matter anymore
They're actually tied now, Landeskog got a secondary assit today. However, RNH has 2 games in hand, well I guess if I wanted to troll I could say he actually has 22 games in hand
They're actually tied now, Landeskog got a secondary assit today. However, RNH has 2 games in hand, well I guess if I wanted to troll I could say he actually has 22 games in hand
I have enjoyed RNH this year, too. I just think Landeskog has been at another level, all three zones, all year. He looks seasoned IMO.
What in gods name is the point for all of this hatred? Both players are excellent. Both teams should be happy to have drafted who they did, as both players are fulfilling, and even exceeding their expectations.
I haven't seen Landeskog play, but it seems like he takes quite a few hard minutes, plays a gritty, dominant game, and has had an immediate offensive impact. He's been a great two way player and is like the next coming of Jonathan Toews in my mind, maybe not as clutch, but there's no way of knowing that.
Nugent-Hopkins is getting a ridiculous amount of hatred for no reason. He's amazing on both sides of the rink, and has (along with the emergence of Eberle) taken our PP from last to first (for most of the season). He's piled up points, and if not for his injury, would probably be at 70 points to end the year. He's no slouch.
If it wasn't for the games lost this year, I would think RNH would have this locked up. But due to the loss of games, similar points, and, in my opinion, Landeskog's superior intangibles, I have him winning the Calder this year.
So instead of acting like you're all headless chickens, maybe accept that both players are good, fulfill team needs, and will be great in the future. There's no way Edmonton would have ever drafted Landeskog over RNH due to our winger depth, so it's moot.
This is a site for hockey discussion, not inflammatory comments and *****ing.
They're actually tied now, Landeskog got a secondary assit today. However, RNH has 2 games in hand, well I guess if I wanted to troll I could say he actually has 22 games in hand
I have enjoyed RNH this year, too. I just think Landeskog has been at another level, all three zones, all year. He looks seasoned IMO.
Fair enough. Landeskog was said to be the most NHL ready prospect coming into this season so I guess it makes sense that he's been able to play the kind of game that he's playing right now. Whereas RNH was questioned by so many if he'd even make the lineup
The thing that's going to be really interesting is if RNH wins rookie of the month for March, which I think he has a very good chance to win. That means he's won 3 Rookie of the months, which is something that is unprecedented (at least to my knowledge, I could definitely be wrong). Malkin and Ovechkin both won 2 in the years they won the Calder. It would definitely add an intriguing twist.
I think this might be the closest Calder race that we've had in awhile.
I don't see a center coming in the draft better than Nugent Hopkins in the next 2-3 years to be honest. Very doubtful there is one this year, and next year I dunno, MacKinnon is smaller and seems like he'd be more of a fit on the wing IMO.
This is what Yzerman said about RNH the other day:
There's a reason why Dave Tallon told RNH straight up, that if he wasn't taken by no.3 (Florida's pick) to not even wait to hear his name called, he was automatically going to be their pick. When you have a chance to draft a potential 100 point center with elite hockey I.Q. who has all the tools to play both ends of the ice when he fills out ... you take the damn player and thank your lucky stars you got that pick in the first place.
As good as Hall and Eberle are, neither one was as good as Nugent Hopkins at age 18.
I for one woulndt " thank my lucky stars" for getting the 1st overall pick
Lando must be the World's Most Interesting Rookie.
"I don't always win the rookie scoring race, but I'm PLUS 20!"
"I don't always have the best rookie PPG, but that's because I play more games."
"I don't always carry my team into the playoffs, but when I do, it's quite intangible."
"I don't always win the Calder, but, actually, yeah, I just do."
... no forward has ever won the Calder without leading rookies in points. 
