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01-24-2013, 01:35 AM
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as a guy who watched every Shark game last year, Niemi was pretty bad and they didn't have Havlat for most of the year.. Clowe is not producing the way he's expected.

It's still a playoff team and the defense is actually better imo this year (with Burns healthy) but they're not the favorites out west and that's really all that matters for them.

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01-24-2013, 09:29 AM
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Bobby Mac is reporting that with Montreal and Subban so far apart, it's now more likely that Subban will be traded rather than resigned.

Too bad Carolina can't offer anything for him.

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01-24-2013, 09:41 AM
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Bobby Mac is reporting that with Montreal and Subban so far apart, it's now more likely that Subban will be traded rather than resigned.

Too bad Carolina can't offer anything for him.
How much can Subban possibly be asking for if Montreal refuses to offer that?

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01-24-2013, 09:48 AM
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How much can Subban possibly be asking for if Montreal refuses to offer that?
From what I can gather, Montreal's GM believes in "contract bridges". As in, after coming off your ELC, you should have a short-term contract at a discount before hitting your payday (ie: Skinner, Hall, etc contracts). So Montreal's offering 2-year, 5 million contract. And Subban (rightfully) wants more than 2.5 a year and more than 2 years.

Mostly speculation and rumor, but coming off some Montreal reporter that's apparently trusted, so...

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01-24-2013, 09:49 AM
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How much can Subban possibly be asking for if Montreal refuses to offer that?
From what McKenzie says they're $2M and 2 years apart.

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01-24-2013, 09:58 AM
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How much can Subban possibly be asking for if Montreal refuses to offer that?
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01-24-2013, 10:00 AM
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From what McKenzie says they're $2M and 2 years apart.
If those figure are accurate from McKenzie and the trusted Canadiens guy he wants 4.5/year for 4? I call BS on that because someone would offer sheet that in a nanosecond.

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01-24-2013, 10:02 AM
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I feel like Rutherford should at least kick the tires on this. Nothing will probably come of it if he is really after a big payday, but we need legit defensemen in a bad way and we already know how fly he looks in a Hurricanes jersey.

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01-24-2013, 10:12 AM
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So, Subban and Cole to the Canes for:

Habs fan version: Skinner, Pitkanen, Faulk, Ward and Semin

Canes fan version: Pitkanen, McBain, Boychuk and a 3rd round pick.

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01-24-2013, 10:19 AM
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So, Subban and Cole to the Canes for:

Habs fan version: Skinner, Pitkanen, Faulk, Ward and Semin

Canes fan version: Pitkanen, McBain, Boychuk and a 3rd round pick.
Clearly we need to send Ward to them as well as useless as he is. We can get NHL elite caliber goalie Cary Price in return.

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01-24-2013, 10:20 AM
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So, Subban and Cole to the Canes for:

Habs fan version: Skinner, Pitkanen, Faulk, Ward and Semin

Canes fan version: Pitkanen, McBain, Boychuk and a 3rd round pick.
I think the real problem is the Canes don't have much to offer. If I was Montreal, I'd want one of Skinner or Faulk. But gaining Subban but losing one of those two doesn't really help Carolina.

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01-24-2013, 10:52 AM
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McBain+Boychuk+picks for Subban?

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01-24-2013, 10:53 AM
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I think the real problem is the Canes don't have much to offer. If I was Montreal, I'd want one of Skinner or Faulk. But gaining Subban but losing one of those two doesn't really help Carolina.
I'm not advocating to trade Skinner, but... swapping him for Subban wouldn't help us? I'm not sure.

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01-24-2013, 10:55 AM
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I'm not advocating to trade Skinner, but... swapping him for Subban wouldn't help us? I'm not sure.
I think it would help the D tremendously, but when Semin walks next year what exactly is left on the wings?

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01-24-2013, 10:55 AM
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I'm not advocating to trade Skinner, but... swapping him for Subban wouldn't help us? I'm not sure.
That's kind of my feeling. Our offense isn't strong, but if (and that's a big if) Semin decides to stay past 1 year, losing Skinner for defensive help isn't a terrible idea.

It'd still never be done in a million years.

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01-24-2013, 10:57 AM
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I'm not advocating to trade Skinner, but... swapping him for Subban wouldn't help us? I'm not sure.
Maybe, but when/if Semin bolts after this season, it's back to a very unskilled forward line-up yet again.

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01-24-2013, 11:10 AM
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Maybe, but when/if Semin bolts after this season, it's back to a very unskilled forward line-up yet again.

EDIT: Joe beat me to it
The other side of the coin is that Subban will probably be a star player for the next 10-15 years. Skinner might have 7 years of prime left. And good defensemen are a whole lot harder to find than good wingers.

I don't think it's an open-and-shut argument, but if I had to pick one right now I'd probably take Subban.

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01-24-2013, 11:16 AM
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The other side of the coin is that Subban will probably be a star player for the next 10-15 years. Skinner might have 7 years of prime left. And good defensemen are a whole lot harder to find than good wingers.

I don't think it's an open-and-shut argument, but if I had to pick one right now I'd probably take Subban.
I realize defenseman can be effective longer than forwards for the most part, but Skinner is 3 years younger than Subban also. He'll only be 27 in 7 years.

Anyhow, I can see both sides of the argument and shows how untalented this team has been and the fact that there isn't much talent in the pipeline (offense or defense).

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01-24-2013, 11:17 AM
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I say stick with Skinner.

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01-24-2013, 11:26 AM
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If Montreal can't sign him anyway they may as well get something for him. The whole league knows about this contract holdout, they risk losing him for nothing if they don't trade him so offers might not be as astronomical as they would otherwise be for a player of Subban's caliber. I don't think it would be prudent to get rid of Skinner for Subban at this juncture anyway- I think Skinner has accomplished more on the ice so far in his career and is more valuable to the Hurricanes franchise off the ice as far as PR and promotions go. The all-important 13-18 year old female demographic would be lost for some time.

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01-24-2013, 11:28 AM
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If Montreal can't sign him anyway they may as well get something for him. The whole league knows about this contract holdout, they risk losing him for nothing if they don't trade him so offers might not be as astronomical as they would otherwise be for a player of Subban's caliber.
That may be true. But if he is truly available, I assume there will be multiple teams wanting to trade for him, so I suspect they'll still get a fair return for him.

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01-24-2013, 11:30 AM
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Send Skinner, get Subban and sign Perry in the summer!

Or we just send Superstar Joe Corvo for Subban?

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01-24-2013, 11:32 AM
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Trading Skinner for Subban is foolish on its head, simply because one is signed long term and the other isn't signed at all.

Skinner could get a real good defensive-minded defenseman, rather than PK who, while good, is another offensive-minded one and god knows Carolina doesn't need more of them.

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01-24-2013, 12:19 PM
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Trading Skinner for Subban is foolish on its head, simply because one is signed long term and the other isn't signed at all.

Skinner could get a real good defensive-minded defenseman, rather than PK who, while good, is another offensive-minded one and god knows Carolina doesn't need more of them.
This.

Skinner's value is so far above PK's because he is signed long term. If we were to trade Skinner, I'd expect a king's ransom.

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01-24-2013, 12:52 PM
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Trading Skinner for Subban is foolish on its head, simply because one is signed long term and the other isn't signed at all.
Yeah, all of the above is predicated on signing Subban to a decently long deal. Clearly we wouldn't trade Skinner for 1 or 2 years of Subban.

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