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Grossman is a very good defenseman, that was not an unfair characteriztion.
a very good defenseman compared to an #1 all-star dman.. sounds pretty off to me.
Staal has no injury concerns, hes had one injury in his entire career. One concussion does not mean he is an injury risk. Every player has an injury risk..
Thats like saying Taylor hall is now an injury concern with his injuries now. Maybe edmonton should trade him.
a very good defenseman compared to an #1 all-star dman.. sounds pretty off to me.
Staal has no injury concerns, hes had one injury in his entire career. One concussion does not mean he is an injury risk. Every player has an injury risk..
Thats like saying Taylor hall is now an injury concern with his injuries now. Maybe edmonton should trade him.
Honestly, I feel like by the end it wasn't a concussion keeping him out. It seemed related to his spine/vertabrae, hence the acupuncture etc...
a very good defenseman compared to an #1 all-star dman.. sounds pretty off to me.
Staal has no injury concerns, hes had one injury in his entire career. One concussion does not mean he is an injury risk. Every player has an injury risk..
Thats like saying Taylor hall is now an injury concern with his injuries now. Maybe edmonton should trade him.
Grossman also played in the west, has a much less famous last name, and as i said is not quite the player Staal is. And being an All star isn't everything, Horcoff was one but i'd be an ass for suggesting a Horcoff for Anisimov trade. And those two are similar players too. Grossman is very much a number 1 shutdown defenseman, just because he didn't make it to the yearly popularity contest doesn't mean he can't be a sililar and less talented player. You're a strange fellow...
Why are you sounding off on a tanget over injuries to me?
Grossman also played in the west, has a much less famous last name, and as i said is not quite the player Staal is. And being an All star isn't everything, Horcoff was one but i'd be an ass for suggesting a Horcoff for Anisimov trade. And those two are similar players too. Grossman is very much a number 1 shutdown defenseman, just because he didn't make it to the yearly popularity contest doesn't mean he can't be a sililar and less talented player. You're a strange fellow...
Why are you sounding off on a tanget over injuries to me?
HAHA Grossman is not a #1 dman. That has nothing to do with playing out in the West or East. How does that make a difference.. Then dont listen to the all-star portion, just watch him shut down the best players in the league on a nightly basis.
because your the one telling everyone that Staal is now an injury concern because of one injury that he is already back and playing from.
A similar and much less talented player yes, but to try to compare him to marc staal like in your previous posts is ludicrous.
a very good defenseman compared to an #1 all-star dman.. sounds pretty off to me.
Staal has no injury concerns, hes had one injury in his entire career. One concussion does not mean he is an injury risk. Every player has an injury risk..
Thats like saying Taylor hall is now an injury concern with his injuries now. Maybe edmonton should trade him.
That's actually exactly how concussions work...
Also what's with the "all-star" thing over and over? Does being chosen for a midseason every-gets-a-player weekend increase a guys value? Staal is as good as studs like Komisarek, Jason Blake, Manny Fernandez, etc
a very good defenseman compared to an #1 all-star dman.. sounds pretty off to me.
Staal has no injury concerns, hes had one injury in his entire career. One concussion does not mean he is an injury risk. Every player has an injury risk..
Thats like saying Taylor hall is now an injury concern with his injuries now. Maybe edmonton should trade him.
Hall is a concern with his injuries ... He had a massive concussion and has now been shut down for the season (and 5-6 months) to have his shoulder fixed up that has by his own admission been bothering him since juniors.
Last year he was shut down early as well for a significant ankle injury and missed 17 games.
While Hall's value is not completely based on this, it is certainly a concern for not only the Oilers but any team that ould consider acquiring him. Staal is in a similar position ... His value doesn't plummet persay, but big injuries do cause concern, and you're dismissing them all too easily. Edmonton wouldn't trade Hall but they will certainly look at how they utilize him in the physical aspects of their game.
so that would mean you wouldnt trade for Crosby or he is now undervalued like Staal is?
No on in the league compares to Crosby. You cannot contrast his situation to any other player at this point because he means more to a team off the ice than on it.
He is a marketing dream, and his value is tied directly to revenues that he generates. The only other player in the league in this realm is AO, and even then he is not the face of hockey that Crosby is.
so that would mean you wouldnt trade for Crosby or he is now undervalued like Staal is?
I'm saying it changes his value. I would obviously still take either Crosby or Staal but I would be much more wary. Markov has had knee problems, I still want him on my blueline.
HAHA Grossman is not a #1 dman. That has nothing to do with playing out in the West or East. How does that make a difference.. Then dont listen to the all-star portion, just watch him shut down the best players in the league on a nightly basis.
because your the one telling everyone that Staal is now an injury concern because of one injury that he is already back and playing from.
A similar and much less talented player yes, but to try to compare him to marc staal like in your previous posts is ludicrous.
Now really is a #1 dman the same thing as a #1 SHUTDOWN dman. No, it's not. Regher was a #1 SHUTDOWN dman, but was not always the #1 dman in Calgary. Don't strawman me.
Grossman is exactly what the one poster said he was, a lesser Staal. Why are you so offended by that?
Hall is a concern with his injuries ... He had a massive concussion and has now been shut down for the season (and 5-6 months) to have his shoulder fixed up that has by his own admission been bothering him since juniors.
Last year he was shut down early as well for a significant ankle injury and missed 17 games.
While Hall's value is not completely based on this, it is certainly a concern for not only the Oilers but any team that ould consider acquiring him. Staal is in a similar position ... His value doesn't plummet persay, but big injuries do cause concern, and you're dismissing them all too easily. Edmonton wouldn't trade Hall but they will certainly look at how they utilize him in the physical aspects of their game.
Your post is spot on, but i wouldn't call a high ankle sprain that significant.
Your post is spot on, but i wouldn't call a high ankle sprain that significant.
Thanks.
The high ankle sprain isn't significant in itself, but it plays a "sum of the parts" role. Hall is the kind of player that plays physical and at a break-neck speed with disregard for his safety at times. He is an excellent young player that may need to be reigned in to prevent some injuries going forward. While his value doesn't drop because he plays physical, it does drop if your team can't utilize him for 20% of the season because of more minor injuries such as ankle sprains etc.
The high ankle sprain isn't significant in itself, but it plays a "sum of the parts" role. Hall is the kind of player that plays physical and at a break-neck speed with disregard for his safety at times. He is an excellent young player that may need to be reigned in to prevent some injuries going forward. While his value doesn't drop because he plays physical, it does drop if your team can't utilize him for 20% of the season because of more minor injuries such as ankle sprains etc.
Oh i understand, but he didn't hurt his ankle that bad was all i was saying. And another thing when did he have this "massive concussion"? He got knocked out, but that happens in hockey, he seems to be fine from what i've heard. It looked bad but it sounds like a minor concussion to me. But again minor quibble, i just think its mischaracterized. When he misses 10-20+ games from it we can call it massive. But from what i understand he didn't want surgery so he could play the rest of the year and the WC.
Oh i understand, but he didn't hurt his ankle that bad was all i was saying. And another thing when did he have this "massive concussion"? He got knocked out, but that happens in hockey, he seems to be fine from what i've heard. It looked bad but it sounds like a minor concussion to me. But again minor quibble, i just think its mischaracterized. When he misses 10-20+ games from it we can call it massive. But from what i understand he didn't want surgery so he could play the rest of the year and the WC.
Probably just an issue of semantics again.
It was bad enough to knock him out cold ... One is often enough to make you susceptible to several more, and cause neck and shoulder strain later on. Trust me, I've had a couple.
Suffice to say there are certain considerations in terms of value when players get injured. It's not as if they become worthless, but it can cause a GM to look other places going forward.
Now really is a #1 dman the same thing as a #1 SHUTDOWN dman. No, it's not. Regher was a #1 SHUTDOWN dman, but was not always the #1 dman in Calgary. Don't strawman me.
Grossman is exactly what the one poster said he was, a lesser Staal. Why are you so offended by that?
Yea bc Grossmann is a #1 dman on the team by default. He isnt a player you could really call a #1 dman. Im offended at the post that stated that Grossmann is comparable to Staal which he sure as hell isnt. If he had said he is a lesser Staal like you are saying now then i would agree with you. Grossmann is a #3 dman, i wouldnt even consider him a top pairing dman.
Yea bc Grossmann is a #1 dman on the team by default. He isnt a player you could really call a #1 dman. Im offended at the post that stated that Grossmann is comparable to Staal which he sure as hell isnt. If he had said he is a lesser Staal like you are saying now then i would agree with you. Grossmann is a #3 dman, i wouldnt even consider him a top pairing dman.
Do you honestly believe that the one poster calling Staal "Basically a better Grossmann" is any different from me calling Grossman a "lesser Staal"?
You are hilarious buddy, my new favorite on this site. What i really enjoy about pointing out your nonsense is it seems to anger you which makes me happy.
Common sense is common knowledge, people are not born with it. Common sense becomes common through constructive debate/criticism/comments. And common sense isn't overly applicable to things that are a matter of perception. None of the deals he offered were some kind of joke, your inability to be decent is. An expectation to say why you hold an opinion is far from unreasonable. If you believe the op is so "off" why do you comment on it? The only reason i could see is to at least improve the perception of the person making the proposal, which you did not do. Instead you say he is lacking common sense. Clearly very considerate of other peoples perceptions. Remeber ignorance is the direct counter to consideration, so if you aren't being considerate (which you clearly aren't) then what are you being?
Sorry, but melodrama just isn't my cup of tea. If 'a != b' isn't a good enough reason for you, then that's something you're just going to have to deal with on your own.
Do you honestly believe that the one poster calling Staal "Basically a better Grossmann" is any different from me calling Grossman a "lesser Staal"?
You are hilarious buddy, my new favorite on this site. What i really enjoy about pointing out your nonsense is it seems to anger you which makes me happy.
No its because both of you seem to believe that an A type player (Staal) is equal to a B type player (Grossmann).
To think someone like Grossmann is a #1 dman in this league is simply ridiculous. I wouldnt even put him in the top 30.. let alone call him what you and another poster are trying to make him out to be.
Your funny kiddo. Enjoy Grossmann, while we enjoy Staal shutting down top players in the league.
The deal was way off. But people are acting like Subban is better than Staal. Give me a break. Staal has been injured this season but that doesn't make him a worse player. He has come back and been fine.
If we were talking last year, anyone in there right mind would take Staal over Subban and honestly, you would this year too if you weren't biased.
And yes patches for dubinsky is a ****ing joke.
Staal is a better shutdown defenceman than Subban, and he hits more. Subban is a better offensive defenceman than Staal, blocks more shots, and is significantly faster. Each has his strengths. Staal is a terrific d-man I would want on my team, but there is no way I would trade Subban for Staal. Staal is far more one-dimensional than Subban, and if you were to look at Staal's 1st two seasons and compare them to Subban's, Subban comes out ahead. The only thing Staal had over Subban in his 1st two seasons is his physical play. Everything else goes towards Subban's favour. Heck, Staal's 1st two seasons worth of points combined (25) don't compare with Subban's point totals this season (35). Subban is faster, plays an arguably equivalent positional game, uses his stick as well, gets in lanes as well, etc... Staal is and was more physical. Period. As such, I keep the dynamic offensive all around player who blocks shots, hits, plays physical, and agitates the other team to hell, over the physical shutdown guy who is far more one-dimensional. As I said, I would love to have Staal playing beside Subban, but no way do I want him instead of Subban.
Thinking Dubinsky is better than Pacioretty is a joke not even worth dignifying with any further response at this time other than to tell you to call me if Dubinsky ever scores 30+ goals.
No its because both of you seem to believe that an A type player (Staal) is equal to a B type player (Grossmann).
To think someone like Grossmann is a #1 dman in this league is simply ridiculous. I wouldnt even put him in the top 30.. let alone call him what you and another poster are trying to make him out to be.
Your funny kiddo. Enjoy Grossmann, while we enjoy Staal shutting down top players in the league.
You just said you agree with calling him a lesser Staal, but started this argument because he said Staal was a better Grossman. Clearly you believe there is a difference or are just back tracking.
It's hilarious you keep saying somebody called him a #1 (nobody did), but he certainly is a #1 shutdown option. Just like players like Nick Schultz, he's able to lead his team in EV strength and PK ice time, and play against the other teams best, sure sounds like a #1 Shutdown guy to me. I know you like to strawman me and all and pretend i and somebody else called him a #1 defenseman but i never said that and you know it. And if i did why don't you do what i do to you and present a quote.
Enjoy Grossman? I'm impartial, i am not a Dallas/Philly fan i just know that he's a top shutdown defenseman in this league. That's not an opinion, it's been that way for 2-3 years now.
Sorry, but melodrama just isn't my cup of tea. If 'a != b' isn't a good enough reason for you, then that's something you're just going to have to deal with on your own.
What's melodramatic about substantiating your opinion? If you never offer constructive criticism then people will never posses the tools to improve themselves. These boards will be littered with poor proposals if we never discuss the merits of them. Thats just "common sense".
Remeber ignorance is the direct counter to consideration, so if you aren't being considerate (which you clearly aren't) then what are you being?
