If that was the "real answer", the league would not recognizes those cups. Since they do, the "real answer" is yes! One can argue, of course, that the only logical answer is "no", based on your reasoning, but the only ones who agree with that are a few senator fans and a lot of fans from other franchises, especially those who have a passionate hatred for the senators. I guess that is your choice.
The NHL reinstated the Senators: the league recognizes those cups because they were won by a team called the Ottawa Senators and there is now a team called the Ottawa Senators.
It's the perfect definition of a loophole. People always hate loopholes and rail against the concept until they can abuse them...
Good question, I posted a no because the team did not exist for almost 60 years. However, that does not discount the amazing achievements that the Ottawa Senators accomplished those many years ago and that is something we should be very proud of. But, is it the same team? Are today Winnipeg Jets the same team that left 15 years ago? No, that team play in Phoenix.
If we lay claim to the cups, does that mean our Stanley Cup drought is over 70 years, or whatever it is?
No. They where an older franchise that went defunct. The Senators of today are an expansion franchise from 1992, that's the only history we should count for this team.
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I consider us as being the same franchise, so yes we have won the cup.
I think we should redo our banners though, the 1903-1927 Stanley Cup banners all have the 1992 2D logo whereas the vintage O logo would be better in my opinion. Also our 2007 Eastern Conference Finals winner banner has the new 3d logo which we didn't start to wear until 2008.
^The banners are right there. It's clear that some part of the organization and league recognize them.
I was going to post this...
The NHL officially recognized those 11 Stanley Cups. 4 of those Cups were won in the history of the NHL (1917-today) and the 7 others were won in the history of the Stanley Cup itself (1893-today)
It shouldn't be a poll when it is a fact... So I have no idea how can people vote no on this, probably some people who don't want it to be "accepted"
I don't think people in Quebec will see the Nordiques as a new franchise, but more as a team they missed (for money reasons, like the old Sens).
I said yes, but am the first to aknowledge there is an asterix beside it and that in no way does it equate to having won a cup in the modern era. But yeah, the Senators franchise has won a few Cups...back in the day. And you almost have to add that last part to the sentence every time you say it if you want to keep a straight face.
Has Ottawa won a cup? Yes.
Have the Ottawa Senators won a cup? Yes.
Has this current NHL franchise won a cup? No.
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They where an older franchise that went defunct. The Senators of today are an expansion franchise from 1992, that's the only history we should count for this team.
I said yes, but am the first to aknowledge there is an asterix beside it and that in no way does it equate to having won a cup in the modern era. But yeah, the Senators franchise has won a few Cups...back in the day. And you almost have to add that last part to the sentence every time you say it if you want to keep a straight face.
...like Habs fans should as well
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Just imagine how many Cups Ottawa would have had if the weren't out of the League for 58 years!!!!!!!!!
Ya it sucks because the Habs AND the Leafs would have a few less... It's crazy to hear ppl in QC talk about the Habs as the most storied franchise by far and the Sens like they never won the Cup when it could be very different if the Sens weren't gone for nearly 60 years...
Just substract 8 Cups from the Habs = 16
Add 8 Cups to the Sens = 19
And 8 Cups in 58 years with 6-12 teams is realistic
As some people have pointed out, you're asking two questions here:
1) Thread title: Have the Ottawa Senators won a Cup? Yes, of course.
2) Poll question: Is this franchise the same as the original franchise? No, I don't think so.
The original Senators moved to St. Louis in 1934 as a professional club, but the Ottawa Hockey Association continued to maintain the Ottawa Senators as an amateur Senior-league team (more significant in those days). The senior-league Senators operated from 1934 to 1955 and won the Allan Cup three times. There was considerable continuity in personnel from the NHL Senators, and they continued to wear the barber pole "O" jerseys and play at the old Ottawa Auditorium where the Senators had played.
By the mid-1950s, the age of television and an increased emphasis on junior scouting started to kill the relevance of senior amateur hockey. Maple Leaf games were televised in Ottawa, and the Canadiens began to operate a farm team jointly out of the Ottawa Auditorium and the arena in Hull that later became known as the Robert Guertin. This farm team lasted only three seasons until 1963.
After that, there was a void for 4 years until the 67s joined the OHA. The old Ottawa Auditorium was demolished in the same year, only 2 months before the Civic Centre opened and the 67s began to play there. The 67s took up the tradition of wearing the barber pole, and one of the team's original owners was former Ottawa Senator (in the NHL and the senior league) Bill Touhey.
Thus in a lot of ways, the 67s have an equal if not greater claim to continuity with the original Senators franchise. What the Senators 2.0 (our Sens) truly signal is Ottawa's long-overdue return to professional men's hockey for the first time since 1934. And as much as I love 67s games, this is truly wonderful. Who cares if the banners belong to our team or not. They do belong to the city of Ottawa and to its proud and oft-overlooked hockey heritage.
The answer is yes. If the Senators had no cup, then there would be years when the cup wasn't awarded.
If the original Jets had won a cup, the banner would be in Phoenix (though arguably the team might still be in WPG then... has any team that actually won a cup post Original 6-era ever been relocated?)
Again, I think there's two times that the cups for Ottawa should be brought up in conversation:
1) Discussing hockey history of Ottawa the city
2) Trolling Toronto and Montreal fans on cup numbers.
Funnily enough I was having this argument today with a Leaf fan. I really only like to pull it out when they're being super ignorant and then the usual 'those don't count LOL call me when THIS team has a cup!'
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Leafs have won a cup since expansion.
Funnily enough I was having this argument today with a Leaf fan. I really only like to pull it out when they're being super ignorant and then the usual 'those don't count LOL call me when THIS team has a cup!'
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Leafs have won a cup since expansion.
They haven't even made an appearance to the SCF since expansion from six teams.
Today's Sens are no more dissimilar to the Sens that last won the cup than today's Leafs are to the George Armstrong era team. Maybe there is a technicality there somewhere, but who really cares?
The NHL officially recognized those 11 Stanley Cups. 4 of those Cups were won in the history of the NHL (1917-today) and the 7 others were won in the history of the Stanley Cup itself (1893-today)
It shouldn't be a poll when it is a fact... So I have no idea how can people vote no on this, probably some people who don't want it to be "accepted"
I don't think people in Quebec will see the Nordiques as a new franchise, but more as a team they missed (for money reasons, like the old Sens).
Wow, try and look past the "fact".
It's not ludicrous to suggest that the cups aren't the same franchise, because of a 60 year absence from the league.
It's a legitimate debate.
But once again.....nevermind....have a good day.
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How can people say the Jets are a different franchise. The history belongs to the people who celebrate it, who cares if the bank books say something different
How can people say the Jets are a different franchise. The history belongs to the people who celebrate it, who cares if the bank books say something different
The way I look at it, as long as there is an original Jet still a member of the old Jets franchise, that's still the same team/organization. It may be stupid, but w/e.
