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03-28-2012, 01:36 PM
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Ever wonder what our team could be if we kept Fisher/Kelly/Elliott?

Paul Maclean has come in and done a great job,and I'm really happy with our current team.

That being said, myself and some friends were wondering what our team would be like with last years players still here?

I think we would be 4 or 5 wins ahead of our current position challenging Boston. Thoughts?


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With this teams defence I'd much rather have Andy in net.

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03-28-2012, 01:45 PM
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To answer the OP, nope, I don't think about "what could be" if Fisher, Kelly, and Elliott were on the club. I don't think it's a guarantee that if they were still here that the team would be playing as well or better.

In addition...

Having Fisher would mean no Turris on this team. It also means one of Puempel or Noesen wouldn't be in the system. I'd rather easily have Turris and Puempel/Noesen than just Fisher.

Zack Smith has easily replaced Kelly in his role as the 3rd-line centre. While Smith is erratic at times, he's a good two-way forward and provides toughness.

Elliott is having a great year in St. Louis. However, it was clear that he wasn't able to handle the #1 chores in hockey-mad Ottawa. In St. Louis, he gets to share the chores with Halak and in a less stressful environment.

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I don't know if Kelly would have brought anything we don't already have. And Kelly's trade turned into Shane Prince which could be interesting still.

Fisher being here... again trying to think how we'd slot him in. Moving him definitely changed the dynamic of our top 6, we were almost handcuffed with having to keep him as #2C when he might otherwise fit better on the top 6 wing, or as a #3C shutdown line kind of guy. He turned into Noesen for us, so again - long term might be better.

Elliot, no I think this year is a largely a product of Hitchcock and stepping in as a backup, plus a fresh start of his own control. If he was here, he'd still have all the mental baggage and forced to be the starter for long runs at a time.

Now if we hired Hitchcock, keeping the above three might have been a bit more interesting - and maybe Auld would still be considered NHL calibre.

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These guys were pretty bad last year. Change in culture was also a big part in our success.

I think it's just for the best that we parted. Funny how well they all fit in their respective teams though.

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03-28-2012, 01:47 PM
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I like the assets we go for Fisher, Noesen is just ripping things up right now. Try not to forget that we still have Nashville's 2012 3rd rounder so curious to see who we can get with that asset

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Team needed change, those guys needed to move on.

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It was due time to part ways with those guys.

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I thought about this the other day as well... I didnt think of Elliot but I wondered where we would be if we had kept Fisher or Kelly... Their salary wouldnt effect our cap now and we dont have anyone from those deals in our lineup so Im sure with Fisher in our 2-3 slot with Turris in the other we would be a much better team...

It sucked losing long time Sens but that decision was made and we are doing well so....

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No.

Wish them well. Sens are in better shape for the future.

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You forgot Kovalev

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Ever wonder what our team could be if we kept Fisher/Kelly/Elliott?
We'd be out of the playoffs. All of their successes this year are due in part to a change in scenery. They needed to move on, and we needed to do so as well. No way would they be doing as well as they are this year without a fresh start, nor would we.

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Sometimes a good player has to leave for the benefit of the team

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I think Kovalev would have actually been a contributing factor in a Maclean system, and I stand by that.

I think Fisher would surpass 60 points this season if he were here as our 2nd line C. I've never really been a fisher fan either.

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The time was right for Fisher and Elliott to go, and the returns were worthwhile.

I'm glad to see both thriving, but Fisher gets a ton of minutes for a great all-around team that lacks top centremen, and Elliott's playing behind a brilliant Hitchcock team. Both guys came into great situations and I'm happy for both, but I'm happier to have Anderson, Noesen, and another spot for younger players to break into.

I was very sad to see Kelly go, and I could still see him as part of the team, especially since we lost Winchester for most of the season and were forced to play Konopka so much. But he's more valuable to a contender like Boston than he is to us at this point, and the return ended up being Prince which is hard not to like right now.

At the moment, I'm still happy with all three moves.

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Regarding Kelly and Fisher, I guess since their replacements are Smith and Turris, I would currently have to say I'm optimistic about their departure. Smith and Turris have at least both shown being capable of being acceptable replacements, and I have reason to believe they both could surpass their predecessors at least in offense/truculence for Smith, and pure offense for Turris.

Regarding Elliot, I really think it's less about the goaltender and more about the system he plays in. I'm not saying Elliot is a beneficiary of playing for Hitchcock, because I don't feel Anderson would play as well for Hitchcock. I do however love the way Anderson allows our players to play a game with a sort of reckless abandon I haven't seen since Hasek was our keeper. It's easy to tell Bishop is a good goalie, but the team plays differently in front of him, and it shows. That's why I'm euphoric about having Anderson on our team, and right now short of a Lundqvist or Tim Thomas, I wouldn't want any other goalie on our team, regardless of what the stats say.

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These guys were pretty bad last year. Change in culture was also a big part in our success.

I think it's just for the best that we parted. Funny how well they all fit in their respective teams though.
Pretty much this. Our team struggled and we needed both a culture change in the organization and a culture change in the fanbase. There was just way too much stress and pressure in Ottawa last year.

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Sometimes a good player has to leave for the benefit of the team
Maybe as far as the team is concerned but personally from the players perspective...don't really see this happening. They leave for greener pastures..more money(sometimes)...better icetime...-go to a winning team...winning city..new start.

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yup i do. and then next year add zib and silfv to that mix

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Nope, having too much fun watching this team to care.

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To answer the OP, nope, I don't think about "what could be" if Fisher, Kelly, and Elliott were on the club. I don't think it's a guarantee that if they were still here that the team would be playing as well or better.

In addition...

Having Fisher would mean no Turris on this team. It also means one of Puempel or Noesen wouldn't be in the system. I'd rather easily have Turris and Puempel/Noesen than just Fisher.

Zack Smith has easily replaced Kelly in his role as the 3rd-line centre. While Smith is erratic at times, he's a good two-way forward and provides toughness.

Elliott is having a great year in St. Louis. However, it was clear that he wasn't able to handle the #1 chores in hockey-mad Ottawa. In St. Louis, he gets to share the chores with Halak and in a less stressful environment.
This post sums things up perfectly. Agree with everything.

I miss Kelly and hope to see him back here one day. Fisher, well it was his time to move on and I don't think there'd be much difference in our play with him in the line up. And Elliott well let's just say St.Louis is the perfect system for him, and he doesn't have to carry the whole load, works out very well for him. It wasn't happening for him here and he was able to revive his career after a couple rough seasons. Nothing more and nothing less. I'm very happy with Anderson.

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We're better without them plus we got a better prospect pool because of trading some of them.

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03-28-2012, 04:36 PM
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Would this team be better with the number one centre from a western conference playoff team, a number three centre with the second best plus-minus in the league and the goaltender with the best save pct. and goals against in the league? I can't believe you had to ask.

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