Why? - Flames gets a good center prospect to add size down the middle as well as a 1st next year. Leafs get a legitimate #1 goaltender to tutor Reimer for a couple years. The teams would also swap overpaid defensemen to help this work under the cap, the Leafs would likely bury Babchuk while the Flames could use Komisarek on their 3rd pairing as a physical presence to play with Brodie.
to
(D) Mark Giordano - $4,020,000
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(D) Mike Green - Restricted Free Agent
(Pick) Conditional 2nd in 2013 - If Green plays fewer than 50 games in 2012-13
Why? - Flames get a true PP quarterback that can eat a ton of minutes as well as a conditional pick if Green continues to have injury problems. Capitals get a more hard nosed physical defenseman that is a bit more sound defensively.
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(C) Mikael Backlund - Restricted Free Agent
(C) Blair Jones - Restricted Free Agent
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(LW) Nino Niederreitter - $2,795,000
(C) Marty Reasoner - $1,350,000
Why? - Flames get a good young prospect who has struggled in his rookie season as well as a 4th liner that is excellent on faceoffs. Islanders get a good young center that is further along than Nino and has alot of upside as well as a high energy bottom 6 forward.
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(G) Henrik Karlsson - $862,500
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(Pick) 6th in 2013
Why? - Flames get something for a player they no longer have in their plans. Rangers get a good team player to fill the backup role behind Lundqvist.
Re-Signing Players
(C) Olli Jokinen - 5 years @ $3,000,000 million per year
Year 1: $4,000,000 (NMC)
Year 2: $4,000,000 (NMC)
Year 3: $3,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
Year 4: $2,500,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can not be traded to)
Year 5: $1,500,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can not be traded to - expires Jan. 1st)
(D) Mike Green - 5 years @ $5,000,000 per year
Year 1: $5,000,000
Year 2: $5,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
Year 3: $5,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
Year 4: $5,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
Year 5: $5,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
(G) Leland Irving - 2 years @ $750,000 per year
Year 1: $650,000
Year 2: $850,000
New Free Agent Signings
(D) Niklas Grossman - 5 years @ $4,000,000 per year
Year 1: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
Year 2: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
Year 3: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
Year 4: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
Year 5: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
(G) Josh Harding - 2 years @ $3,000,000 per year
Year 1: $2,500,000
Year 2: $3,500,000
(RW) Jordin Tootoo - 2 years @ $2,500,000 per year
Year 1: $2,500,000
Year 2: $2,500,000
Free Agent Signings for Abbotsford
(G) Michael Leighton
(RW) Hugh Jessiman
(D) Taylor Chorney
2012-2013 Calgary Flames
Alex Tanguay ($3,500,000) - Matt Stajan ($3,500,000) - Jarome Iginla ($7,000,000)
Curtis Glencross ($2,550,000) - Olli Jokinen ($3,000,000) - Mike Cammalleri ($6,000,000)
Sven Beartschi ($1,456,250) - Joe Colborne ($1,100,000) - Jordin Tootoo ($2,500,000)
Tim Jackman ($612,500) - Marty Reasoner ($1,350,000) - Greg Nemisz ($1,045,833)
Lance Bouma ($693,333)
Jay Bouwmeester ($6,680,000) - Niklas Grossman ($4,000,000)
Chris Butler ($1,250,000) - Mike Green ($5,000,000)
T.J Brodie ($741,666) - Mike Komisarek ($4,500,000)
Derek Smith ($775,000)
If the Salary Cap does not rise they would still have $3.3 million in cap space.
2012-2013 Abbotsford Heat
Paul Byron - Ben Walter - Krys Kolanos
Ryan Howse - Roman Horak - Jon Rheault (AHL Contract)
Michael Ferland - Max Reinhart - Hugh Jessiman
Carter Bancks - Quintin Laing (AHL Contract) - David Eddy
Turner Elson - Gaelan Patterson
Clay Wilson - Taylor Chorney
Joe Piskula - Christopher Breen
Joey Leach - James Martin
Leighton, Michael - Ortio, Joni
Toronto Trade:
- Value is possible but I'd expect a 2nd back instead of a 1st. Burke, unless in panic mode, will not make a move for our aging Kipper, no matter how good he's been.
Isles Trade:
- NYI already has a player similar to our Backlund; Bailey. Also considering how they already have Tavaras as well as Nielsen in their top 2, would be hard to imagine that they'll be wanting to add excess down the middle for Nino who by all means should break out if he doesn't get broken by mismanagement.
I think the Flames are hurting and likely going to have to accept a couple of lean years coming their way. They have to cut their losses and hope for the best in developing a new atmosphere in the dressing room. They need a fresh perspective and need to get back to playing fast paced hockey with an emphasis on balance. I'm not in love with any players on this team and would consider anyone over the age of 25 a target to be moved. I'd probably look at making the following deals.
To St. Louis: Bouwmeester
To Calgary: Rattie, 1st in 2012
To Toronto: Kiprusoff & Comeau (rights)
To Calgary: Schenn & 3rd
To Boston: Iginla
To Calgary: Horton & Caron
All of the free agents get a pass, unless noted. I'd then try and bring in some guys over the next two seasons that can bring leadership and help the team develop the young players coming in. My first target is to go after Barrett Jackman on the blueline, and then Jarret Stoll in the middle and Ruslan Fedotenko on the LW. To fill in the second line RW position I go after Brad Boyes as a stop gap, until Caron or Rattie steps up. In goal, I bring in Vokoun to ride shotgun for Irving. The short term looks like:
Giordano - Jackman
Schenn - Brodie
Smith - Butler
Ramage (or Hannan if Ramage does not sign)
Irving
Vokoun
My primary goal is to bring in a guy who hates to lose and wears his heart on his sleeve. I'd target Scott Hartnell in Philly, trying to make a deal for him, or throwing a good wad of cash at him when he becomes a free agent. He's the type of player that you love to have on your side. I hope that in a year the team will be able to move Horton, Boyes, Tanguay and Cammalleri at the deadline for some good returns
Giordano - Jackman
Schenn - Brodie
Smith - Butler
Ramage
Irving
Vokoun/Ramo
Maybe we see something good out of the extra draft picks we accrue. Maybe we snag a first line center in the draft. Maybe we get lucky and grab another Bartschi. We're not making splashes for big names and we're not signing big free agents. We're retooling and grabbing youngsters that will hopefully turn into solid players and contribute to a winner. That's how I see it shaking out. Slow and with an eye on what we want out team to be like as far as identity goes. Skill on each line. Speed on each line. Some big bodies on each line. Some toughness on the blueline to compliment our puck movers.
I think the Flames are hurting and likely going to have to accept a couple of lean years coming their way. They have to cut their losses and hope for the best in developing a new atmosphere in the dressing room. They need a fresh perspective and need to get back to playing fast paced hockey with an emphasis on balance. I'm not in love with any players on this team and would consider anyone over the age of 25 a target to be moved. I'd probably look at making the following deals.
To St. Louis: Bouwmeester
To Calgary: Rattie, 1st in 2012
To Toronto: Kiprusoff & Comeau (rights)
To Calgary: Schenn & 3rd
To Boston: Iginla
To Calgary: Horton & Caron
All of the free agents get a pass, unless noted. I'd then try and bring in some guys over the next two seasons that can bring leadership and help the team develop the young players coming in. My first target is to go after Barrett Jackman on the blueline, and then Jarret Stoll in the middle and Ruslan Fedotenko on the LW. To fill in the second line RW position I go after Brad Boyes as a stop gap, until Caron or Rattie steps up. In goal, I bring in Vokoun to ride shotgun for Irving. The short term looks like:
Giordano - Jackman
Schenn - Brodie
Smith - Butler
Ramage (or Hannan if Ramage does not sign)
Irving
Vokoun
My primary goal is to bring in a guy who hates to lose and wears his heart on his sleeve. I'd target Scott Hartnell in Philly, trying to make a deal for him, or throwing a good wad of cash at him when he becomes a free agent. He's the type of player that you love to have on your side. I hope that in a year the team will be able to move Horton, Boyes, Tanguay and Cammalleri at the deadline for some good returns
Giordano - Jackman
Schenn - Brodie
Smith - Butler
Ramage
Irving
Vokoun/Ramo
Maybe we see something good out of the extra draft picks we accrue. Maybe we snag a first line center in the draft. Maybe we get lucky and grab another Bartschi. We're not making splashes for big names and we're not signing big free agents. We're retooling and grabbing youngsters that will hopefully turn into solid players and contribute to a winner. That's how I see it shaking out. Slow and with an eye on what we want out team to be like as far as identity goes. Skill on each line. Speed on each line. Some big bodies on each line. Some toughness on the blueline to compliment our puck movers.
I doubt the blues want J-bow or can afford him with their internal cap but I like the idea of getting Rattie at all costs. I would rather
Tangs- Stajan- Cammy
GlenX- Stoll - Horton
for the top 6 I see no need to bring in Boyes.
I doubt the blues want J-bow or can afford him with their internal cap but I like the idea of getting Rattie at all costs. I would rather
Tangs- Stajan- Cammy
GlenX- Stoll - Horton
for the top 6 I see no need to bring in Boyes.
Look at the Blues blueline. They could seriously use a guy like Bouwmeester. They have some really good complimentary parts to work with Bouwmeester as well.
I think that top line needs a big physical body on it. Who is going to dig a puck out of the corner in that group? They're all small and buttery soft. They could use a big body up there. While I'm not a fan of Boyes, he should be a guy that could come cheap and put up some solid numbers on the second line. He's there strictly to buy time.
Look at the Blues blueline. They could seriously use a guy like Bouwmeester. They have some really good complimentary parts to work with Bouwmeester as well.
I think that top line needs a big physical body on it. Who is going to dig a puck out of the corner in that group? They're all small and buttery soft. They could use a big body up there. While I'm not a fan of Boyes, he should be a guy that could come cheap and put up some solid numbers on the second line. He's there strictly to buy time.
Stajan and Cammy have both shown to be great at fore checking and Stajan is already our best defensive center (assuming the old Jokinen is back) it will allow Tangs and Cammy to take some risks.
Here's kinda what I came up with. I've never been good with valuing players with picks or $$$ so take it with a grain of salt and add whatever picks you think the trades deserve.
FORWARDS
Alex Tanguay ($3.500m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Jarome Iginla ($7.000m)
Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Olli Jokinen ($3.500m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Sven Baertschi ($1.456m) / Mikael Backlund ($1.200m) / Brett Connolly ($1.633m)
Lance Bouma ($0.693m) / Matthew Stajan ($3.500m) / Tim Jackman ($0.613m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($5.500m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Jay Bouwmeester ($6.680m) / Chris Butler ($1.250m)
Derek Smith ($0.775m) / T.J. Brodie ($0.742m)
Anton Babchuk ($2.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($3.100m)
Leland Irving ($0.900m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,112,082; BONUSES: $1,536,250
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $187,918
Ok so let's start with Schneider. This may be a bit out there, but could work. Offer sheet him at $3.1 which I think is the highest you can offer before having to give up further compensation. Vancouver can either handcuff themselves with almost $9mm in goaltending, or take the picks. So this is assuming they'd rather take the picks. Irving will back him up.
To make room for Schneider, trade Kipper to Tampa for Brett Connolly. Tampa NEEDS a tendy and Kipper could help them. A Sven-Backlund-Connolly line would be ridiculous!
Do what you gotta do to sign Parise, I think $7mm is ballpark what he'll get.
Resign Jokinen @ $3.5. He could get over $4mm on the open market, but has said he wants to stay here so this could be a decent hometown discount (possibly could even go lower)
Do the same for Suter. I have him at $5.5 which may be low, but that number is more or less just to fit under the $64mm cap. If it goes up, we could offer more. Him and Gio would be amazing together!
Guys like Stajan, JBow and Babchuk are on there because they may be trickier to trade so I'm leaving them there under the assumption we can't get enough back for them so they stay.
So this is going more in line with the 'retool' than rebuild. Go easy on me!
Stay away from Luke Schenn. He's overpaid ($4M annually), not very mobile, and has a few defensive lapses per game. He's a #5/#6 defenceman who is paid like a #2 guy. In addition, the Flames likely could get a better deal for Kiprusoff than just Schenn and a pick.
Ok so let's start with Schneider. This may be a bit out there, but could work. Offer sheet him at $3.1 which I think is the highest you can offer before having to give up further compensation.
Calgary doesn't have a second round pick for compensation. Vancouver likely matches and then trades Schnieder elsewhere anyways.
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To make room for Schneider, trade Kipper to Tampa for Brett Connolly. Tampa NEEDS a tendy and Kipper could help them. A Sven-Backlund-Connolly line would be ridiculous!
Connolly on any line would be ridiculous, which is why Tampa won't trade him for one year of Kiprusoff. They might if they were a contender, but the are plenty of holes in Tampa's lineup and Kipper doesn't address those needs. Tampa isn't Toronto and the fans don't believe a goaltender will solve all their problems.
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Do what you gotta do to sign Parise, I think $7mm is ballpark what he'll get.
I think he'll get more. Even if that is all he's going to get, why would he come to Calgary? Three straight years out of the playoffs and no sign of turning it around, even with him.
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Resign Jokinen @ $3.5. He could get over $4mm on the open market, but has said he wants to stay here so this could be a decent hometown discount (possibly could even go lower)
Jokinen's market value is at $5 million, thanks to the Leafs. No way Jokinen leaves that much scratch on the table.
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Do the same for Suter. I have him at $5.5 which may be low, but that number is more or less just to fit under the $64mm cap. If it goes up, we could offer more. Him and Gio would be amazing together!
I think Suter will go for more. In the same vein as Parise, why would he come to Calgary? We aren't a contender.
I like all the guys you targeted, but we don't have a chance at any of them. We're going to have to buy low and hope we can do a quick retool over two or three seasons, not hope we sign the two best UFAs, snag one of the best RFAs and rob a team blind in a deal for one of our aging players. Think second tier players and try to build some critical mass through those players.
Here's kinda what I came up with. I've never been good with valuing players with picks or $$$ so take it with a grain of salt and add whatever picks you think the trades deserve.
FORWARDS
Alex Tanguay ($3.500m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Jarome Iginla ($7.000m)
Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Olli Jokinen ($3.500m) / Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m)
Sven Baertschi ($1.456m) / Mikael Backlund ($1.200m) / Brett Connolly ($1.633m)
Lance Bouma ($0.693m) / Matthew Stajan ($3.500m) / Tim Jackman ($0.613m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($5.500m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Jay Bouwmeester ($6.680m) / Chris Butler ($1.250m)
Derek Smith ($0.775m) / T.J. Brodie ($0.742m)
Anton Babchuk ($2.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($3.100m)
Leland Irving ($0.900m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,112,082; BONUSES: $1,536,250
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $187,918
Ok so let's start with Schneider. This may be a bit out there, but could work. Offer sheet him at $3.1 which I think is the highest you can offer before having to give up further compensation. Vancouver can either handcuff themselves with almost $9mm in goaltending, or take the picks. So this is assuming they'd rather take the picks. Irving will back him up.
To make room for Schneider, trade Kipper to Tampa for Brett Connolly. Tampa NEEDS a tendy and Kipper could help them. A Sven-Backlund-Connolly line would be ridiculous!
Do what you gotta do to sign Parise, I think $7mm is ballpark what he'll get.
Resign Jokinen @ $3.5. He could get over $4mm on the open market, but has said he wants to stay here so this could be a decent hometown discount (possibly could even go lower)
Do the same for Suter. I have him at $5.5 which may be low, but that number is more or less just to fit under the $64mm cap. If it goes up, we could offer more. Him and Gio would be amazing together!
Guys like Stajan, JBow and Babchuk are on there because they may be trickier to trade so I'm leaving them there under the assumption we can't get enough back for them so they stay.
So this is going more in line with the 'retool' than rebuild. Go easy on me!
I like the idea of bringing in Sutter and Parise, but I doubt Feaster could make it happen.
Toronto Trade:
- Value is possible but I'd expect a 2nd back instead of a 1st. Burke, unless in panic mode, will not make a move for our aging Kipper, no matter how good he's been.
Isles Trade:
- NYI already has a player similar to our Backlund; Bailey. Also considering how they already have Tavaras as well as Nielsen in their top 2, would be hard to imagine that they'll be wanting to add excess down the middle for Nino who by all means should break out if he doesn't get broken by mismanagement.
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Isles also have centers Brock Nelson, who they are trying to get to sign his ELC and leave college.They have Cizikas and Ullstrom.Both rookies have played well on the isles 3rd line, after injuires/trades led to a callup.
Isles will have Streit,Hamonic and MacDonald in next season's top 4 and 3-4 ahlers fighting for an nhl roster spot.I think 1 ,maybe 2 make the isles.
Snow has a glut of unproven prospects.He's offered up his 1st in each of the last two drafts,demanding a young, potential stud back according to Newsday.
He shows no interest in trading away a potential star for 2-3 lesser pieces.
Isles will have Streit,Hamonic and MacDonald in next season's top 4 and 3-4 ahlers fighting for an nhl roster spot.I think 1 ,maybe 2 make the isles.
Snow has a glut of unproven prospects.He's offered up his 1st in each of the last two drafts,demanding a young, potential stud back according to Newsday.
He shows no interest in trading away a potential star for 2-3 lesser pieces.
there are some clueless,kneejerk nyi fans out there,who'd want that type of return.I don't even bother reading the fan comments, in Newsday's NYI section..."get Komiserak.He's a LI boy"..."give Suter a blank check".
Fans who don't watch JayBo actually play,anxious to overpay because he is a big name
Calgary is just the Leafs of the West. Doing nothing at trade deadline, Doing nothing in draft each year. Trying to just squeak into playoffs by making stupid moves at deadline. 9/10 place is way worse each year because you can never draft well. Stupid stupid stupid system last 5 years.
FLAMES NEED NEW MANAGEMENT/COACH
Calgary is just the Leafs of the West. Doing nothing at trade deadline, Doing nothing in draft each year. Trying to just squeak into playoffs by making stupid moves at deadline. 9/10 place is way worse each year because you can never draft well. Stupid stupid stupid system last 5 years.
FLAMES NEED NEW MANAGEMENT/COACH
It goes back to what I said in another thread. We're not quite good enough to win, yet not bad enough to be a lottery team. If we were younger, it'd be simple - trade to get some help now. Problem is that with our star players no longer in their primes, this team is stuck in neutral and decisions have to be made on what to do.
My turn. Three big trades to retool the franchise. (Boring day...Sunday.)
To
Dmitri Orlov
Cody Eakin
1st Round 2012 (WSH or COL)
To
Jarome Iginla
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To
Michael Grabner
Calvin Dehaan
2nd round pick 2012
To
Jay Bouwmeester
Mitch Wahl
4th round pick 2013
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To
Derek Roy
To
Matt Stajan
1st Round Pick 2012 (WSH or COL)
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Re-Sign Mikael Backlund - 3 years / 1.3M Per Season
Re-Sign Blair Jones - 2 years / 900k Per Season
Re-Sign Leland Irving - 3 years / 1.2M Per Season
Re-Sign Blake Comeau - 1 year / 1.2M Per Season
Sign Nicklas Grossman - 4 years / 3.75M Per Season
Sign Jason Garrison - 3 years / 2.75M Per Season
Sign Paul Gaustad - 3 years / 2.8M Per Season
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2012 Roster
Sven Baertschi - Derek Roy - Michael Cammalleri(A)
Alex Tanguay - Mikael Backlund - Michael Grabner
Curtis Glencross - Paul Gaustad(A) - Cody Eakin
Lance Bouma - Blair Jones - Blake Comeau
Mark Giordano(C) - Nicklas Grossman
Jason Garrison - Dmitri Orlov
Chris Butler - T.J Brodie
Miikka Kiprusoff
Leland Irving
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Make a huge play for Ryan Suter on July 1st, but I dont expect him to sign here.
Move Miikka Kiprusoff at the deadline if we happen to be outside of a playoff spot.
To
Michael Grabner
Calvin Dehaan
2nd round pick 2012
To
Jay Bouwmeester
Mitch Wahl
4th round pick 2013
We get completely ass ***** in this deal. I know Bouwmeester is everyone's favorite whipping boy right now, but he is worth much more than this despite the popular HF opinion.
Why so many Flames fans want Grabner is unfathomable to me. The guy is overpaid and just not that good. The thought of Grabner on the Flames for 4 more years makes me want to punch a baby. He is a 1 dimensional play who's one dimension is extremely inconsistent and quite frankly mediocre. His flop in his sophomore season just illustrates this as his shooting percentage fell down to more realistic levels.
I do like De Haan but his stock has fallen recently and him and a 2nd just isn't enough of a return. I would want another top end prospect instead of Grabner as well as someone like Reasoner who would address some of our faceoff issues.
Besides its all moot, because there is no way Bouwmeester waives his NTC to go to the Islanders. He signed with us before hitting free agency because he wanted to be close to home.
We get completely ass ***** in this deal. I know Bouwmeester is everyone's favorite whipping boy right now, but he is worth much more than this despite the popular HF opinion.
Why so many Flames fans want Grabner is unfathomable to me. The guy is overpaid and just not that good. The thought of Grabner on the Flames for 4 more years makes me want to punch a baby. He is a 1 dimensional play who's one dimension is extremely inconsistent and quite frankly mediocre. His flop in his sophomore season just illustrates this as his shooting percentage fell down to more realistic levels.
I do like De Haan but his stock has fallen recently and him and a 2nd just isn't enough of a return. I would want another top end prospect instead of Grabner as well as someone like Reasoner who would address some of our faceoff issues.
Besides its all moot, because there is no way Bouwmeester waives his NTC to go to the Islanders. He signed with us before hitting free agency because he wanted to be close to home.
Isles would not want to pay Jaybo $6.6m even if he did not have a NTC.Isles have a tight budget
De Haan is in his rookie yr in Bridgeport.He was named to the all-star team and is expected to push for a spot on next season's NYI roster.Isles would rather pay De Haan $1.4m then pay Jaybo $6.6m
Grabner makes $1m this season.$2m next season.$3m in 2013-2014.He won't make big bucks until yrs 4 and 5.
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