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Skip Bettman, go straight to Owners???

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11-24-2004, 12:00 AM
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What a load of cr--. If you believe the players' stand is about "responsible moral values" and a "sence (sic) of justice in the world" you're more deluded than they are. It's about money, money and one other thing: money. That's all it's about. Anyone who believes otherwise is a dope.
Did I say anywhere that it wasn't about money, to get their share of the 2+ billion business. Why on earth they would give an unproportionate amount to the owners without a fight. But that doesn't rule out that quite a few of them as individuals are not prepared to do all kinds of immoral acts for their money, unlike quite a few so called businessmen and politicians.

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Did I say anywhere that it wasn't about money, to get their share of the 2+ billion business. Why on earth they would give an unproportionate amount to the owners without a fight. But that doesn't rule out that quite a few of them as individuals are not prepared to do all kinds of immoral acts for their money, unlike quite a few so called businessmen and politicians.

What is immoral about deciding you are prepared to work for less than you used to? Absolutely nothing. If Player X is happy to play for $2m instead of $3m then good luck to him. Its his personal choice to make. If Player Y is unhappy to play for $2m instead of $3m good on him too since that's his choice.

The NHLPA is making a business decision by not signing what the NHL offers them. The players believe no one can do their jobs, their betting on it. If the NHL gets replacement players the ex-NHLers should accept the replacement players taking their jobs with grace. This is business after all and both sides are duking it out.

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Bettman (and by extension, the NHL offices) is in no way working from a different script than are the owners. The office of the commissioner takes its marching orders in every important way from the owners themselves. Bettman doesn't have the owners over any kind of barrel. He can fine an individual owner for breaking ranks and speaking publicly because the owners at large have previously decided that solidarity and a single voice --Bettman's-- is the approach to take right now. His eight-vote mandate in the negotiations exists because it was voted him by the owners themselves, and it can be rescinded easily enough should they elect to take that decision.

Bettman is not an independent entity, marching to the beat of his own drum. He is a figurehead representing the collective voice of his constituency of 30 owners every time he holds court in the press.

The article makes the assumption that there is room for some kind of wedge to be driven between the owners and the commissioner. That is a fallacy right now. The owners are united, and the players are united, which is not so surprising since we're only about six weeks into the lockout. In the grand scheme of things, that is not so very much time. Positions won't erode until some serious money has been lost by everyone, and that takes a while. Perhaps a solid year, perhaps less, perhaps more.

To draw an analogy, the NHL and the union are playing a game of chicken and driving head on towards one another, but they are riding in cars that are still a few miles apart. Why either side should be expected to panic just yet is a mystery. The lockout just started, after all. Only time will erode unity on one or both sides of the dispute... and probably enough time that salvaging a partial 2004-05 season will not be feasible.

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What is immoral about deciding you are prepared to work for less than you used to? Absolutely nothing. If Player X is happy to play for $2m instead of $3m then good luck to him. Its his personal choice to make. If Player Y is unhappy to play for $2m instead of $3m good on him too since that's his choice.

The NHLPA is making a business decision by not signing what the NHL offers them. The players believe no one can do their jobs, their betting on it. If the NHL gets replacement players the ex-NHLers should accept the replacement players taking their jobs with grace. This is business after all and both sides are duking it out.
I guess you have never heard of the concept "race to the bottom"?

Too bad, because that's the direction where a lot of jobs in the world are now heading, even in the Western countries. That's the moral background.

While this is pretty irrelevant in the current NHL when compared to the rest of the world, even this could have all kinds of consequenses in various parts of the world down the years.

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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/colum...18_132038_4940

Doubt it would make a difference but it could start some dialogue.
Bob McKenzie alludes to it as well.

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie.asp

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