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03-29-2012, 10:21 AM
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Jimmy Hayes?

I need some kind of explanation as to why Jimmy Hayes is a healthy scratch lately? It makes absolutely no sense to me. I also think he has been poorly handled since his arrival and now he seems to be a forgotten man.

Has anyone heard any comment whatsoever from any of the Hawks’ coaches regarding him?

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03-29-2012, 10:23 AM
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Q hates big, physical guys who hit.

To be fair Jimmy's game dropped off a bit for a while and I think he recognized he wasn't doing the things that made him successful (like Shaw did) but he hasn't been given the chance to get back to his game (like Shaw was given).

He's been horribly mismanaged and it pains me to see bums like Brunette and Morisson skating in our top 6 while he is scratched.

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Yeah, why do we need the big rookie who showed better net presence on every shift that anyone else on this team? It's not like we face dudes like Halak, Howard, and Rinne on a consistent basis...oh wait.

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Q hates big, physical guys who hit.

To be fair Jimmy's game dropped off a bit for a while and I think he recognized he wasn't doing the things that made him successful (like Shaw did) but he hasn't been given the chance to get back to his game (like Shaw was given).

He's been horribly mismanaged and it pains me to see bums like Brunette and Morisson skating in our top 6 while he is scratched.
If Hayes was a center, he would have played over Morrison. But he's not.

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Remember when Shaw came up and was great and then played poorly and got sent to AHL?

Hayes started strong and then like Shaw fell off. He should have been sent back to AHL like Shaw to get back into groove

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Agree with BWC. His physical play fell off. The Hawks need to make it clear to him now that if he wants to be an NHLer, he needs to play physical. They apparently waited too long with Bickell, because he's a lost cause.

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When he was playing his ice time was restricted and limited to the 4th line role which is ill-suited to his abilities…. And no PP time whatsoever, even though he has shown to have good hands in close and despite the ineffectiveness of the players we put out there with the man advantage. It gets me fuming when I see some of the slugs that Q dresses instead.

Q is not doing him any favours by sitting him here when he could be getting regular duty in Rockford. I haven’t heard a single enquiry from any of the puppet reporters that regularly interview Q.

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He is a better hockey player than Frolik, Morrison, and Bollig. Now, I understand Hayes isn't a center, but it's a shame to watch a slug like Morrison out there sometimes and watch the snakebitten Frolik or one-trick pony Bollig play over him.

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I don't think anyone is disputing his play fell off and that the team is trying to send a message. However, sitting him for so long on the big club and not giving him a chance to show he gets the message and not sending him back to Rockford to work on his game is simply mismanaging. Not doubt about it.

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What i don't understand is why Odonnell is playing on the 4th line and Hayes is out.

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What i don't understand is why Odonnell is playing on the 4th line and Hayes is out.
He's two assists from 200 career and there is a chance this is his last year. Beyond that, I can't think of any logical reason for it. Call someone else up if you don't want to play Hayes.

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When he was playing his ice time was restricted and limited to the 4th line role which is ill-suited to his abilities…. And no PP time whatsoever, even though he has shown to have good hands in close and despite the ineffectiveness of the players we put out there with the man advantage. It gets me fuming when I see some of the slugs that Q dresses instead.

Q is not doing him any favours by sitting him here when he could be getting regular duty in Rockford. I haven’t heard a single enquiry from any of the puppet reporters that regularly interview Q.
Its not up to Q to decide who is up and who is down from system

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That is silly, while Bowman has the final word it is most certainly Quenneville who can decide who needs to go down and I find it highly unlikely that barring cap or rule issues Bowman would EVER overrule a Quenneville decision in that regard. You make it sound like they're in competition with each other.

Bowman probably does the most when it comes to bringing people up, but I am positive Quenneville is the one deciding who gets sent down.

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Jayes wasn't good as of late and our team was good as it was. Top9 played good hockey and there was no reason to change something

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Jayes wasn't good as of late and our team was good as it was. Top9 played good hockey and there was no reason to change something
He wasn't getting enough ice time. I doubt he'll ever look that "good" playing the role he was playing especially and with no time on the PP. He needs to be in Rockford or playing in the top 9 for Hawks.

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He is a better hockey player than Frolik, Morrison, and Bollig. Now, I understand Hayes isn't a center, but it's a shame to watch a slug like Morrison out there sometimes and watch the snakebitten Frolik or one-trick pony Bollig play over him.
You cannot conclude that a guy who has played....27 games...is better than Frolik or even Morrison.

Frolik may suck, but he has scored 20 goals twice in his career before. He has been around for a few years at least. And you can at least count on Frolik to not **** up.

Morrison can win faceoffs around 50% of the time so that's really his only value but when you are really short on centers you have to ice him occasionally.

Fact is we don't really know what Hayes is at this point, he's still an unknown for the most part. Since he stopped producing or really making his presence felt, there was really no point in playing him. He was invisible.

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You cannot conclude that a guy who has played....27 games...is better than Frolik or even Morrison.

Frolik may suck, but he has scored 20 goals twice in his career before. He has been around for a few years at least. And you can at least count on Frolik to not **** up.

Morrison can win faceoffs around 50% of the time so that's really his only value but when you are really short on centers you have to ice him occasionally.

Fact is we don't really know what Hayes is at this point, he's still an unknown for the most part. Since he stopped producing or really making his presence felt, there was really no point in playing him. He was invisible.
The contributions by Hayes to the club have been superior to that of Frolik, Morrison, and Bollig this year.

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especially morrison. he sucks at everything

the way bronyaur described him makes him sound like a faceoff specialist who still only wins 50% of his draws

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Morrison does nothing well. Frolik can't score, isn't all that great in his own end, and falls on his ass any time there's contact. Bollig fights. What else does he do? I agree that Hayes needs to be physical. However, he was responsible and hit the score sheet a few time. Which of the other three have been like that? None.

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I just checked Hayes ice time in his last 5 games. He averaged just over 6 minutes per game and on March 13th only played 3 minutes. And I won't even address who his linemates were in those games. How can a rookie prove himself under those circumstances? Q has given him little chance .... and seems oblivious to the possibility that he may really click if he played some with talented offensive teammates. And gawd knows we could use his size and soft hands on the PP.

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I just checked Hayes ice time in his last 5 games. He averaged just over 6 minutes per game and on March 13th only played 3 minutes. And I won't even address who his linemates were in those games. How can a rookie prove himself under those circumstances? Q has given him little chance .... and seems oblivious to the possibility that he may really click if he played some with talented offensive teammates. And gawd knows we could use his size and soft hands on the PP.
nah, better to keep trotting brunette out there even though he's proven again and again that he can't play.

Just looked it up, and despite averaging ~13-15min a game, Brunette has only 3 goals and 11pts since december started.

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agree with the herd.

Jayes is completely misused and it sucks.

this kid plays with a physical edge and soft hands that is a perfect combo for power play time and in front of the net.

I get the fact that he wasnt as physical as he was in the first 10-12 games, but to show him a message by sitting him, you must then give him a chance to show back up for God's sake.

Jayes is 10 miles better then Morrison and Brunette who get so many more chances because they are "veterans".

put this kid in the lineup, park his butt infront of the net on the power play and watch the results.

Q has lost it with developing young guys this year imo...

Shaw still seems to be underutilized while he is having his hot streak.

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He should get back in the lineup before the Playoffs start. Why dress Frolik and not Hayes?

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He should get back in the lineup before the Playoffs start. Why dress Frolik and not Hayes?
because q hates the blackhawks

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