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03-29-2012, 12:57 PM
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All you can really hope is that this isn't a career-ending concussion

No one's to blame. This kind of thing just happens sometimes.

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03-29-2012, 01:22 PM
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All you can really hope is that this isn't a career-ending concussion
No one's to blame. This kind of thing just happens sometimes.
If it is career-ending (which I hope it's not), his cap hit would come off the books, right?

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If Montador is a defense, does this happen? We don't know. All we know is that he was cleared to play. Unfortunately, he might have suffered another concussion. Playing defenseman at forward is dumb in general. Remember when Hendry was a fourth line right winger for a few games?

We have to hope that shoulder/elbow to his head wasn't the cause of a new concussion. You may all recall Hjalmarsson's prior concussion situation. He left a game since his symtpoms came back. He didn't suffer another concussion. However, in this case, we appear to have seen contact to Monty's head. That is concerning.

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03-29-2012, 01:25 PM
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If it is career-ending (which I hope it's not), his cap hit would come off the books, right?
I'm no cap expert, but I think they'd just put him on long-term injured reserve, meaning yes, his cap hit would come off the books.

But NHL contracts are guaranteed, so even if his cap hit doesn't count, Rocky still has to pay him the exact same amount.

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It's a bit of a stretch to say playing him at forward caused this, but I find playing players severely out of position (forward to defense or vice versa) a poor thing to do even at the best of times, unless they've done it plenty in the past (say, Byfuglien). There is zero point in putting Montador - or SOD - in there while you have capable players rotting in the press box.

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If Montador is a defense, does this happen? We don't know. All we know is that he was cleared to play. Unfortunately, he might have suffered another concussion. Playing defenseman at forward is dumb in general. Remember when Hendry was a fourth line right winger for a few games?

We have to hope that shoulder/elbow to his head wasn't the cause of a new concussion. You may all recall Hjalmarsson's prior concussion situation. He left a game since his symtpoms came back. He didn't suffer another concussion. However, in this case, we appear to have seen contact to Monty's head. That is concerning.


Really?

Montador likes playing forward. He's been doing it for years.

Playing him at forward to limit his minutes was actually a pretty smart move on Q's part.

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Really?

Montador likes playing forward. He's been doing it for years.

Playing him at forward to limit his minutes was actually a pretty smart move on Q's part
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not really. he dressed john scott at d more than a few times and played him less than 6 minutes.

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Byfuglien is a whole different story. Come on. Playing Montador or Hendry at forward can't be likened to the same level as Byfuglien.

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Byfuglien is a whole different story. Come on. Playing Montador or Hendry at forward can't be likened to the same level as Byfuglien.
Byfuglien was obviously better at it, but that doesn't make it all that different of a story.

Some guys can play both defense and forward.

If you want to limit a player's minutes without hurting the team as much, try to put them in as a forward on the 4th line.

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Is Q really playing SOD at forward over Hayes or is this a cruel joke?

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not really. he dressed john scott at d more than a few times and played him less than 6 minutes.
Which hurt the defense as a whole.

Everyone else had to play more minutes because Scott could hardly play any.

With our defense already missing it's primary minute-eater, why put more strain on them by making everyone split the minutes Montador couldn't handle?

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Is Q really playing SOD at forward over Hayes or is this a cruel joke?
It's probably just a cruel, cruel joke.

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Is Q really playing SOD at forward over Hayes or is this a cruel joke?
We can only hope Q is just trolling all of the people who care about lines in practice.

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If you want to limit a player's minutes without hurting the team as much, try to put them in as a forward on the 4th line.
It may not have hurt the team but it seems to have hurt Montador plenty...

I'm just not a fan of it. If they can't play their real position, just don't play them. Is an iffy Montador going to be less effective than SOD? I don't see how that would even be possible.

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It may not have hurt the team but it seems to have hurt Montador plenty...

I'm just not a fan of it. If they can't play their real position, just don't play them. Is an iffy Montador going to be less effective than SOD? I don't see how that would even be possible.
I'd be lying if I said I had complete faith in how this organization handles concussions, but if Monty said he was alright, had been practicing for two weeks, and the medical staff cleared him, what more was there to do? There was no reason to believe that yet another practice would have shown anything new.

At this point, it was either play him or bench him for the season. They made one choice, and unfortunately that forced them to have to make another.

It's a damn shame, but from the information I've seen, I think they handled the situation about as well as they could have.

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It may not have hurt the team but it seems to have hurt Montador plenty...

I'm just not a fan of it. If they can't play their real position, just don't play them. Is an iffy Montador going to be less effective than SOD? I don't see how that would even be possible.
100% agree.

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I'd be lying if I said I had complete faith in how this organization handles concussions, but if Monty said he was alright, had been practicing for two weeks, and the medical staff cleared him, what more was there to do? There was no reason to believe that yet another practice would have shown anything new.

At this point, it was either play him or bench him for the season. They made one choice, and unfortunately that forced them to have to make another.

It's a damn shame, but from the information I've seen, I think they handled the situation about as well as they could have.
Agreed, no fortune tellers with the Hawks, you make an educated decision, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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Monty played on the 4th line to get his game legs back and that he don't have to play 10+ minutes. Nothing wrong with this

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Monty played on the 4th line to get his game legs back and that he don't have to play 10+ minutes. Nothing wrong with this
You realize you don't HAVE to have 12 forwards and 6 defenseman, right?

What would have been wrong with going with 11 and 7 and just keeping his minutes down? Would we miss Bollig that much?

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I'm assuming its a set back due to the head hit in the NJD game

we should not have rushed him back.

Also, this one is on Q IMO

you put him at forward where he isn't comfortable and had his head exposed around the net.

he was in a vulnerable position mostly because he doesn't play that position
Stop it right there. Nobody gets blamed it was kinda frakish for him to get hit like that his 1st game back.

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no, but what's wrong with Monty on the ice for 4 minutes on the 4th line? Nothing is wrong and Monty played forward before

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I'm assuming its a set back due to the head hit in the NJD game

we should not have rushed him back.

Also, this one is on Q IMO

you put him at forward where he isn't comfortable and had his head exposed around the net.

he was in a vulnerable position mostly because he doesn't play that position
How do you guys like Steve Montador? I miss him in Buffalo, wish they would have gotten rid of Sekera then Monty.

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he is what he is, a #5 DMan

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