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03-30-2012, 06:08 AM
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You never know unless you ask. Burke has made some worse deals in his life.

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03-30-2012, 08:42 AM
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Gardiner = Hamilton
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Which one do you think is better than the other?
Hamilton was drafter in a higher slot and has put up the following stat line this year.

gp50 g17 a55 pts72 +37

72 points in 50 games AS A DMAN

6'4" and 200.

Gardiner is a decent prospect, but this one isn't close.

Seguin is already making this deal look bad. Starting next year, it gets downright ugly for the Leafs.

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03-30-2012, 08:51 AM
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Gardiner = Hamilton


Hamilton was drafter in a higher slot and has put up the following stat line this year.

gp50 g17 a55 pts72 +37

72 points in 50 games AS A DMAN

6'4" and 200.

Gardiner is a decent prospect, but this one isn't close.

Seguin is already making this deal look bad. Starting next year, it gets downright ugly for the Leafs.
Easy to say when Hamilton plays on one of the best teams in the CHL..

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03-30-2012, 08:56 AM
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Easy to say when Hamilton plays on one of the best teams in the CHL..
And Hamilton is one of the biggest reasons they are one of the best teams in the CHL...

The Kid has #1 Stud Dman written all over him.

Pair him with Chara and watch out.

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And Hamilton is one of the biggest reasons they are one of the best teams in the CHL...

The Kid has #1 Stud Dman written all over him.

Pair him with Chara and watch out.
Pair anyone with Chara and watch out.

Not sure how he has #1 stud d man written all over him while still in the CHL.

How much did you pay for your crystal ball?

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03-30-2012, 11:23 AM
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Gardiner = Hamilton

Hamilton was drafter in a higher slot and has put up the following stat line this year.

gp50 g17 a55 pts72 +37

72 points in 50 games AS A DMAN

6'4" and 200.

Gardiner is a decent prospect, but this one isn't close.

Seguin is already making this deal look bad. Starting next year, it gets downright ugly for the Leafs.
Very hard to compare them, as they play in completely different leagues. Hamilton plays in the OHL, on the top team in the conference and highest scoring team in the league. Gardiner played in the WCHA. Both were 3rd on their team in scoring.

Considering that Gardiner has passed the greatest test any prospect does, making and excelling in the NHL, you can't say that Dougie Hamilton is such a better prospect just because he was picked 8 spots higher.

Seguin atm is making the deal look good for the Leafs. Let's wait a while before we declare the end result.

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03-30-2012, 11:36 AM
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who's Hamilton?

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03-30-2012, 01:36 PM
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who's Hamilton?
Bruins drafted him with the second 1st rounder we sent them, 9th overall last year.

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03-30-2012, 04:54 PM
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I would be fine with moving Kadri and another prospect for him and our 1st if we finish out of the lottery but I really like Gardiner.

Also we will likely finish with a lottery pick.

I think Kadri will be a pretty good nhler one day but I dont think it will be with the leafs

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03-30-2012, 06:12 PM
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That's ridiculous. Nash is not worth that. He's an 8 million 60 point overrated forward.

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03-30-2012, 07:02 PM
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Can somebody please tell me why he is worth anything? I want to believe there are actual reasons and some of you aren't crazy. There is no way he is worth a 15-20 pick and Kadri and ANOTHER prospect.

I honestly do not even want him at this point. He is not what this team needs. We have enough forwards who do not play defense.

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03-30-2012, 07:04 PM
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Gardiner = Hamilton


Hamilton was drafter in a higher slot and has put up the following stat line this year.

gp50 g17 a55 pts72 +37

72 points in 50 games AS A DMAN

6'4" and 200.

Gardiner is a decent prospect, but this one isn't close.

Seguin is already making this deal look bad. Starting next year, it gets downright ugly for the Leafs.
Let me know when Hamilton plays a game in the NHL let alone exceeds expectations.

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03-30-2012, 07:12 PM
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if the Kessel trade never happend and the Leafs kept their draft picks (Seguin, Hamilton and Knight) then I would do this trade for Nash in a heartbeat

but that didn't happen so the last thing the leafs should do is trade young players/prospects and draft picks, it would be just another step back imo

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Too much for an aging, over payed, overrated Nash.

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03-30-2012, 07:44 PM
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Can somebody please tell me why he is worth anything? I want to believe there are actual reasons and some of you aren't crazy. There is no way he is worth a 15-20 pick and Kadri and ANOTHER prospect.

I honestly do not even want him at this point. He is not what this team needs. We have enough forwards who do not play defense.
The Toronto media has such a boner for Nash is sickening.

If he played on the Leafs with that production and made 7.8 million they'd be ripping him apart.

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I'm having a hard time believing this, we wouldn't have the capspace for a deal like this at the trade deadline. Is Howson stupid or is just this just speculation?

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03-30-2012, 07:49 PM
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The Toronto media has such a boner for Nash is sickening.

If he played on the Leafs with that production and made 7.8 million they'd be ripping him apart.
Absolutely correct, Nash another player that has made it, kick back relax go fishing every spring. We want up and coming guys.

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03-30-2012, 07:51 PM
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hypothetical question

how would you feel if burkie made the following trade on draft day?

Toronto 1st round pick + prospect

for

Rask + Seguin

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03-30-2012, 07:53 PM
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hypothetical question

how would you feel if burkie made the following trade on draft day?

Toronto 1st round pick + prospect

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Rask + Seguin
OK that one I'd do but only because they don't make huge salaries yet. They're the type of guys we want, not easy to get unless you draft them or get them from us naturally.

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OK that one I'd do but only because they don't make huge salaries yet. They're the type of guys we want, not easy to get unless you draft them or get them from us naturally.
but the question is what kind of prospect would the bruins want along with our 1st round pick and would we have add more to the deal?

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but the question is what kind of prospect would the bruins want along with our 1st round pick and would we have add more to the deal?
In my opinion you'd have to give Boston more for Sequin than you would give Columbus for Nash. Mainly because of the salary discrepency, you have Seguin for another 6 years for fairly low salary and he has a chance to be every bit as good as Nash.

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Gardiner = Hamilton


Hamilton was drafter in a higher slot and has put up the following stat line this year.

gp50 g17 a55 pts72 +37

72 points in 50 games AS A DMAN

6'4" and 200.

Gardiner is a decent prospect, but this one isn't close.

Seguin is already making this deal look bad. Starting next year, it gets downright ugly for the Leafs.
When the bruins picked Hamilton last year, I cringed. I was so sure that hamilton would go top 6 (my personal guess was the islanders) and that the bruins would have gotten one of strome/sheifele/murphy/seimens/brodin.

Reading Hamilton's scouting report, I knew he would be a great prospect as he was the ultimate package in a D-man: big, excellent skater, had nastiness, great work ethic and excellent hockey IQ. Personally, I didnt think he would rack up as many points as he did this year but I did think he would put up around a ppg. This year, the players in the top all seem to have question marks, and I really hate that.

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Do they realise that our 2012 draft pick could be 1st overall?

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Do they realise that our 2012 draft pick could be 1st overall?
It certainly could, I really hope he's learned not to trade our picks. Then again what a comical way to end a 5 year retool, with the 1st overall pick.

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Gardiner = Hamilton


Hamilton was drafter in a higher slot and has put up the following stat line this year.

gp50 g17 a55 pts72 +37

72 points in 50 games AS A DMAN

6'4" and 200.

Gardiner is a decent prospect, but this one isn't close.

Seguin is already making this deal look bad. Starting next year, it gets downright ugly for the Leafs.
Who's got more points this year Kessel or Seguin. Only deal in NHL history where a team picks up a 22 year old 30 goal man that develops into a top 10 scorer and it's the worst trade ever. Give your head a shake.

as for Hamilton there are quite a few guys that have put up those numbers. Bryan Fogarty once put up 155 points as a defenseman in the OHL. Until he proves he can do the same in the NHL he's not the second coming of Bobby Orr. So relax.

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