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12-04-2004, 12:45 AM
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If Forsberg had such an edge with the finesse stuff, why did Lindros crush his point production? In his day, Lindros was one of the top scoring players (per game) of all time.

Perhaps you didn't see much of Lindros in the mid-90's, but those who did have little doubt he was better than Forsberg. Only edge I give Forsberg would be defensive.
Forsberg was also better in the playoffs.

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Forsberg was also better in the playoffs.
Not pre-injury he wasn't. Lindros had 53 points in 43 games, carrying his team all the way to the Stanley Cup finals. Forsberg may have the Cups, but he was not the reason they won either of them. He was no better than the Av's 3rd to 5th best player during the first run. The second they won without him completely. Without Forsberg, the Avs were still a great team.

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12-05-2004, 02:24 PM
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Little side story here - but still on topic

Peter Forsberg actually owns the Nordiques jersey that Lindros wore on draft day

there was a story about Peter in a swedish newspaper a couple of weeks ago and there he told the Lindros story
He also mentioned that he' got a lot of jerseys, about 250-300

he's top 3 and why:

Wayne Gretzky - cause he's still the best ever
Michael Jordan - he's a legend in Basketball, huge to have a jersey
Eric Lindros - the rookie jersey


They did this article because Forsberg got a signed Tottenham jersey (he's a big fan of the English soccer club) and somehow they noticed that he has a lot of jerseys at home


here's the story in Swedish with some pictures
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/...557399,00.html

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Not pre-injury he wasn't. Lindros had 53 points in 43 games, carrying his team all the way to the Stanley Cup finals. Forsberg may have the Cups, but he was not the reason they won either of them. He was no better than the Av's 3rd to 5th best player during the first run. The second they won without him completely. Without Forsberg, the Avs were still a great team.
And what did he do in that finals?

Forsberg also didn't have Carl Lindros.

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Not pre-injury he wasn't. Lindros had 53 points in 43 games, carrying his team all the way to the Stanley Cup finals. Forsberg may have the Cups, but he was not the reason they won either of them. He was no better than the Av's 3rd to 5th best player during the first run. The second they won without him completely. Without Forsberg, the Avs were still a great team.
Forsberg's playoff numbers are more consistent, and he's never been as thoroughly shut down as Lindros was by Lidstrom and Konstantinov.

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People are getting forgetful.

Yes, Lindros was shut-down by the Wings. But what happened? The Wings entire gameplan was centered around shutting down Lindros. When he took the ice, he had 5 guys who did nothing but try to keep him from scoring. Lindros came up short.

What people forget is that Lindros still finished as the league's leading post-season scorer. To add to that, he showed his importance by the fact that with Lindros silent, the Flyers were inept. Getting shelled defensively, couldn't score for crap and swept in 4.

Lindros carried that team on his back in a way Forsberg has never done. Forsberg may not have been shut down like that, but he never was the 1-man-army like that either. He has always had Sakic and Roy helping him shoulder the burden. Put Forsberg with Hextall/Snow and Brindy, he doens't even get to play Detroit.

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Forsberg's playoff numbers are more consistent, and he's never been as thoroughly shut down as Lindros was by Lidstrom and Konstantinov.
Konstantinov never played against Lindros in that Finals series. Everyone was expecting the Wings to match-up Konstantinov and his partner against Lindros.

Instead Bowman decided to use Lidstrom & Murphy. It ended up working perfectly, using smarts/ finesse was the better option, as a more physical defenseman ala Konstantiov routinely got destroyed by Lindros.

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Konstantinov never played against Lindros in that Finals series. Everyone was expecting the Wings to match-up Konstantinov and his partner against Lindros.

Instead Bowman decided to use Lidstrom & Murphy. It ended up working perfectly, using smarts/ finesse was the better option, as a more physical defenseman ala Konstantiov routinely got destroyed by Lindros.
Konstantinov did show up on the PK. But Lidstrom played against Lindros at even strength with Murphy, although Lids was more instrumental than Murph in shutting down Lindros. The same way he shut down Bertuzzi with Olausson as his partner, while the press were fixated on the non-existent Chelios-Bertuzzi matchup.

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Konstantinov did show up on the PK. But Lidstrom played against Lindros at even strength with Murphy, although Lids was more instrumental than Murph in shutting down Lindros. The same way he shut down Bertuzzi with Olausson as his partner, while the press were fixated on the non-existent Chelios-Bertuzzi matchup.
Konstantinov rarely was out against Lindros in that series but he managed to be on the ice for every one of the 6 goals the Flyers scored during that series.

For the series Lindros was on ice for all 6 Flyers goals scored and 7 goals against.

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Worst trade in NHL histroy.
The Ballard era Leafs had at least 50 that were worse.

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I know it happens in every draft, but to think that Falloon, Lachance, and Aaron Ward were drafted above Forsberg... That's part of the reason I have a hard time putting much stock in the draft when you see those guys drafted higher like that.
I think teams were still a bit hesitant about drafting a european back then (despite Sundin going #1 earlier). Scouting wasn't what it is now. The eastern block had just started opening up. Looking back, Forsberg should have gone higher. He was as dominating in the Junior World Championships as any player (his records are insane) and he was great in the SEL.

But that's what is good about drafting in the NHL. It is much harder to draft 18 year olds than 20 year olds so there is a huge skill (and luck, it has to be said) element to scouting and drafting.

And those that said Lindros was better at the draft than Ovechkin and Crosby (will be) I have to agree. He was a monster back then as a 18 year old and when in the NHL he was fantastic. Great combination of strength and skill. If it wasn't for the flaw of looking down when crossing the blue line, we would definately all have a very different view of his career.

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I think teams were still a bit hesitant about drafting a european back then (despite Sundin going #1 earlier). Scouting wasn't what it is now. The eastern block had just started opening up. Looking back, Forsberg should have gone higher. He was as dominating in the Junior World Championships as any player (his records are insane) and he was great in the SEL.
Actually is was a bit of a shocker when Forsberg was picked 6th overall, he was expected to go much later in the first round.

Also his dominant WJC, with the 31 points happened in 92-93, after he was drafted.

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Actually is was a bit of a shocker when Forsberg was picked 6th overall, he was expected to go much later in the first round.

Also his dominant WJC, with the 31 points happened in 92-93, after he was drafted.
Forsberg came second in scoring the year before he was drafted, ahead of Lindros, Kovalev etc. While not as scaringly impressive as the year after he definately had proved himself pre-draft, in Sweden and Internationally.

Where he was expected to go only shows the imperfect nature of scouting and drafting.

It is a bit hard to find great online sources for World Junior Championships, but here are a few from TSN:
1992 http://www.tsn.ca/World_jrs/feature.asp?fid=3804
1993 http://www.tsn.ca/World_jrs/feature.asp?fid=990

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Actually is was a bit of a shocker when Forsberg was picked 6th overall, he was expected to go much later in the first round.

Also his dominant WJC, with the 31 points happened in 92-93, after he was drafted.
Maybe, but the Canucks were ready to draft him 7th overall. On draft day, everyone thought the Flyers were going to go with a big physical Alex Stojanov as opposed to a finesseful Forsberg. Vancouver was ready to draft Forsberg at 7th and even had a custom jersey made up for him.

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I completely agree with JCD.

Lindros from the 90s was miles ahed of Forsberg

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