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I never thought it was possible to feel sorry for a city. I was wrong.
I feel sorry for the city residents and businessmen (save ones connected to the athletics facilities) that pay taxes and will have to clean up this mess for years and years. The city manager and politicians just about deserve to go into a jail cell, but probably won't and of course they'll leave the mess they created to someone else and move on, not unlike the NHL or Ellman or Moyes. The people that get screwed in the end are your taxpayers. If I ran the Arizona SBI, I'd've spent the last year gathering up all the evidence on everyone I could.
From a guy on Primetime Sports:
"I'll say this for Glendale. They are the one municipality in North America that makes me as a Torontonian proud of my mayor."
Well, not ALL the parallels. The ECHL Stockton Thunder has MORE than done their share in drawing people to the arena, leading the ECHL in attendance each one of their first four seasons (2005-06 through 2008-09), third in league attendance in 2009-10, second in league attendance last season, and third this season -- this past year was the first one to draw less than 6,000. They've consistently finished between #10 and #15 continent-wide in minor-pro attendance.
(Insert inevitable lame "The Coyotes wish they drew 6,000 a game" joke from some Canadian here).
Last time I felt this bad for a city, it was Chernobyl.
.... wicked. Being assailed on all sides and sadly, no one at the top or in the middle seems to have a clue as to how to handle any of it with the exception of Tindall. Forced into cleaning up Beasley & the Mayors' messes while fighting rearguard actions against GW, the Tohonos; never ending stream.
Look, I'm so glad that this team is in the playoffs, and I feel we have a better team than the past 2 years. And on top of that, the ownership news, has been quiet as of yet. The team on the ice can focus on the ice. We know we don't have an owner, we know we might move. We get it. But last year with Hulsiezer(sp?) trying to buy the team, and that taking a real big chunk of media spotlight, it took away from the team on the ice. In the end, he didn't buy the team, but thankfully we were able to enjoy hockey for 1 more year atleast.
Right now, I want to get the playoffs started, and do business in the playoffs, then worry about if they are here or not next year. Everyone knows it's a possibility this team moves, but there should be no talk of it period in the mainstream media about it. I really hope this little article stays in hiding, and the players don't see it or hear about it.
I feel sorry for the city residents and businessmen (save ones connected to the athletics facilities) that pay taxes and will have to clean up this mess for years and years. The city manager and politicians just about deserve to go into a jail cell, but probably won't and of course they'll leave the mess they created to someone else and move on, not unlike the NHL or Ellman or Moyes. The people that get screwed in the end are your taxpayers. If I ran the Arizona SBI, I'd've spent the last year gathering up all the evidence on everyone I could.
From a guy on Primetime Sports:
"I'll say this for Glendale. They are the one municipality in North America that makes me as a Torontonian proud of my mayor."
Well, believe it or not but this happens elsewhere also. It's maybe not around sports, but a bad/selfish management of a public administration is kinda common these days, sadly.
I can assure you that taxpayers will be pissed if Quebec City doesn't get a new NHL team in next 5 years and a $400M arena is built. People can say what they want, yes the city needs a new arena, but the city doesnt need a 18k seats 400M arena if there is no NHL. We're all on hype right now because we hope NHL comesback, but if it doesnt (which is always a possibility) the city will go on a downslope rollercoaster.
Well, believe it or not but this happens elsewhere also. It's maybe not around sports, but a bad/selfish management of a public administration is kinda common these days, sadly.
I can assure you that taxpayers will be pissed if Quebec City doesn't get a new NHL team in next 5 years and a $400M arena is built. People can say what they want, yes the city needs a new arena, but the city doesnt need a 18k seats 400M arena if there is no NHL. We're all on hype right now because we hope NHL comesback, but if it doesnt (which is always a possibility) the city will go on a downslope rollercoaster.
I agree. It's why I hate public financing of stadiums. Hopefully one benefit of this multi-year recession is more cities smarten up.
Look, I'm so glad that this team is in the playoffs, and I feel we have a better team than the past 2 years. And on top of that, the ownership news, has been quiet as of yet. The team on the ice can focus on the ice. We know we don't have an owner, we know we might move. We get it. But last year with Hulsiezer(sp?) trying to buy the team, and that taking a real big chunk of media spotlight, it took away from the team on the ice. In the end, he didn't buy the team, but thankfully we were able to enjoy hockey for 1 more year atleast.
Right now, I want to get the playoffs started, and do business in the playoffs, then worry about if they are here or not next year. Everyone knows it's a possibility this team moves, but there should be no talk of it period in the mainstream media about it. I really hope this little article stays in hiding, and the players don't see it or hear about it.
What are you concerned about? You live in Flagstaff, so you won't be ********* over like Glendale residents will be for say the next 20 years or so to pay all this off while you're concerned about a bunch of millionaires not getting negative vibes for the next few weeks playing a stupid game.
This is the ultimate Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" post. Don't you get it? Don't you understand what is going to happen? Shouldn't the absolute collapse of the housing market down there and all the after effects of that a few years ago have educated you? Hey, you want to enjoy hockey, fair enough. But watching hockey is escapism. Sometimes real life and a city potentially declaring bankruptcy due to the escapism should be more important than the escapism itself.
What are you concerned about? You live in Flagstaff, so you won't be ********* over like Glendale residents will be for say the next 20 years or so to pay all this off while you're concerned about a bunch of millionaires not getting negative vibes for the next few weeks playing a stupid game.
This is the ultimate Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" post: you don't care if an entire city goes under and loses most of its services for its residents thereby sending down the standard of living for all of them, as long as you get hockey for one more year. Great citizen you are.
Dear God, don't you get it? Don't you understand what is going to happen? Shouldn't the absolute collapse of the housing market down there and all the after effects of that a few years ago have educated you? Or do you just not pay attention to the outside world? I can understand a person wanting to continue enjoying the entertainment that he is currently entertained by. But not when him enjoying it significantly harms others, and if you post on this message board I doubt you're a 12-year-old that is just innocent to the inner workings of the outer world.
He gets it, rj....
Most of us know that the CoG can't keep the annual contributions up any more. We want a resolution to this just like everyone else does.
When I was watching the Bob McCown show and Phil Lieberman was on the show, Bob McCown said that "April 15 2012" was a deadline set by Bill Daly. Does anyone know what that was all about and happens on "April 15 2012".
When I was watching the Bob McCown show and Phil Lieberman was on the show, Bob McCown said that "April 15 2012" was a deadline set by Bill Daly. Does anyone know what that was all about and happens on "April 15 2012".
There will be an atypical line at the post office.
I agree. It's why I hate public financing of stadiums. Hopefully one benefit of this multi-year recession is more cities smarten up.
What are you concerned about? You live in Flagstaff, so you won't be ********* over like Glendale residents will be for say the next 20 years or so to pay all this off while you're concerned about a bunch of millionaires not getting negative vibes for the next few weeks playing a stupid game.
This is the ultimate Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" post. Don't you get it? Don't you understand what is going to happen? Shouldn't the absolute collapse of the housing market down there and all the after effects of that a few years ago have educated you? Hey, you want to enjoy hockey, fair enough. But watching hockey is escapism. Sometimes real life and a city potentially declaring bankruptcy due to the escapism should be more important than the escapism itself.
The hell? Seriously? I made no comments on the residents, period, now or before. You live in North Carolina, why the hell do you care?
I made a comment, that whether or not this team is staying, the media should keep its mouth shut with potential buyers, while this team makes a playoff run. Plain and simple.
I made a comment, that whether or not this team is staying, the media should keep its mouth shut with potential buyers, while this team makes a playoff run. Plain and simple.
Why? Their job is to report. Perhaps all life should stop while the yotes make their playoff run. These guys make millions. Suck it up and play. Whether they move or not has no impact on them keeping or losing their job. On the staff maybe but players? No way.
Why? Their job is to report. Perhaps all life should stop while the yotes make their playoff run. These guys make millions. Suck it up and play. Whether they move or not has no impact on them keeping or losing their job. On the staff maybe but players? No way.
Yes, and what good did that "reporting" do the past 2 years, specifically last year?
Yes, and what good did that "reporting" do the past 2 years, specifically last year?
This is not about good, this is about reporting. What good did it do for the NHL to buy the team 3 years ago? CoG took a swing of $100 million because they backed the NHL (lost $50 mil instead of getting $50 mil). The NHL has lost, depending on who you believe, over %50 mil on top of the $50 they got from CoG.
This is not about good, this is about reporting. What good did it do for the NHL to buy the team 3 years ago? CoG took a swing of $100 million because they backed the NHL (lost $50 mil instead of getting $50 mil). The NHL has lost, depending on who you believe, over %50 mil on top of the $50 they got from CoG.
So, not about good, but about reporting and news.
The reporting, led to a dead end. There was no owner, PERIOD. That's what I want, AN OWNER. I don't care whether the team stays or not, that's out of my control, and many others, obviously. But the fact that "this guy might own, or this other guy" has been tossed around for so long now, reporters at this point are losing any and all credibility, if they haven't already. Wait until the NHL announces "XXX is now the owner of the Coyotes, and they are staying", or leaving, or wherever they go.
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The reporting, led to a dead end. There was no owner, PERIOD. That's what I want, AN OWNER. I don't care whether the team stays or not, that's out of my control, and many others, obviously. But the fact that "this guy might own, or this other guy" has been tossed around for so long now, reporters at this point are losing any and all credibility, if they haven't already. Wait until the NHL announces "XXX is now the owner of the Coyotes, and they are staying", or leaving, or wherever they go.
Why should the media keep quiet about a sports team, a team in dire financial difficulty mind you, and one the league had to purchase to prevent it from falling into the hands of someone that wanted to move it ASAP, and one the league still owns while it at the same time it is seemingly continuing to search in vain for someone - anyone, willing to own it in Arizona? Do you fail to understand that the current situation is of great interest to those that may eventually wind up with the team in their own city, and that this becomes an even more newsworthy item as the years continue to tick onward?
Last edited by Hank Chinaski: 04-10-2012 at 11:12 AM.
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Why should the media keep quiet about a sports team, a team in dire financial difficulty mind you, and one the league had to purchase to prevent it from falling into the hands of someone that wanted to move it ASAP, and one the league still owns while it at the same time it is seemingly continuing to search in vain for someone - anyone, willing to own it in Arizona? Do you fail to understand that the current situation is of great interest to those that may eventually wind up with the team in their own city, and that this becomes an even more newsworthy item as the years continue to tick onward?
Do you fail to understand that all of that prospective ownership news led to nowhere? Most everyone was talking about Coyotes to Winnipeg, when in fact it was Atlanta that moved.
The team is going to find an owner, at one point or another after the playoffs it will be announced. The NHL WILL NOT own the team next year. I, as a Coyotes fan, understand that. Whether or not they stay is the question, but I'm tired of "possibilities", as are many others are.
