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Do we take Galenychuk or Grigorenko?

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Grigorenko 101 55.80%
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03-30-2012, 10:14 AM
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I think it's a big thumbs up to the development system in North America.

Some of these young Europeans are really taking advantage of that, with good reason.

If Yakupov and/or Grigorenko stay in Russia, they probably wouldn't have the same draft stock this time of the year.
I think it is a reflection of the finishing system.

Learn the skills at home, get the finishing in North America.

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It's pretty much impossible to predict at this point which one of them will be a better NHL player.

*Fingers crossed for winning the lottery*

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03-30-2012, 10:20 AM
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How many points would Grigorenko have with Yakupov on his wing? Grigorenko is healthier, better size, and you don't need to wonder if his totals are inflated. No doubt Galy is a great prospect but you don't take him over Grigo at this point.
The QMJHL is a weaker league than the OHL. So yeah, you do, at least to an extent. What compounds that is that his numbers actually aren't very impressive when compared to bonafide NHL stars that have come out of the Q. I'm not saying he's not talented, but it worries me.

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You are old enough to remember the Kirk Muller or Mario discussions?

Muller great attitude, all effort versus Mario flash in an easy / no defense league.


Okay, it is really silly sounding after the fact.

Sillier than the Clark or Simpson debate.
Absolutely. Actually old enough to remember Howie Meeker saying Gretzky couldn't play 4th line center for the leafs because his game won't translate to the pros.

I remember in the Muller / Lemieux debate someone saying after it's a long way from one to two.

But if we win the lottery, would you take Grigorenko over Yakupov?

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03-30-2012, 10:25 AM
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i say the best player available!!!,thats whats its going to boil down to

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03-30-2012, 10:26 AM
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Easy. Yakupov.

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03-30-2012, 10:31 AM
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The pros for Grigorenko are his tremendous hockey IQ and playmaking ability. Galchenyuk is very strong on his skates and sees the ice well too. I'd like Gally and think he's a safer bet but the recent injuries are a little scary, although not scary enough to pass on him. I think Gally could put up Jason Spezza level production 3-4 years into his pro career

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03-30-2012, 10:32 AM
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Absolutely. Actually old enough to remember Howie Meeker saying Gretzky couldn't play 4th line center for the leafs because his game won't translate to the pros.

I remember in the Muller / Lemieux debate someone saying after it's a long way from one to two.

But if we win the lottery, would you take Grigorenko over Yakupov?
OT:

I still laugh, people forget the negative comments about Gretz being good enough to play in the NHL. Even people old enough to remember seem to have a blind spot there.

Funny thing is people use Daigle for the bust category, but really Daigle really wasn't a happy hockey player. His heart wasn't in it and he still had 20 goals as a rookie on a crap Senators team.

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03-30-2012, 10:36 AM
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You guys are aiming too low. Fail for Nail have faith in the tank.

#1 CBJ - Won't draft a Russian.
#2 EDM - Needs to draft a defenseman.
#3 TOR - Maybe

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03-30-2012, 10:39 AM
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Such a tough call, impossible to predict.

The Leafs are most definitely going to be picking top 5, but we have to wait for the lottery results to make a call.

It's very much a possibility that Galchenyuk falls to the middle of the first round due to his injury because he's a risky prospect. So who knows if Burke will go for him at all?

I think that if the Leafs pick #5 or 6, we'll probably end up with Galchenyuk. It's possible Burke might decide to trade up and grab Grigorenko or Yakupov as it seems possible the #1 pick will move this year.

Too many variables...too early to speculate.

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03-30-2012, 10:41 AM
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Such a tough call, impossible to predict.

The Leafs are most definitely going to be picking top 5, but we have to wait for the lottery results to make a call.

It's very much a possibility that Galchenyuk falls to the middle of the first round due to his injury because he's a risky prospect. So who knows if Burke will go for him at all?

I think that if the Leafs pick #5 or 6, we'll probably end up with Galchenyuk. It's possible Burke might decide to trade up and grab Grigorenko or Yakupov as it seems possible the #1 pick will move this year.

Too many variables...too early to speculate.
I am not going to pretend that I know what's on the mind of the scouting community and the general consensus, but I highly doubt he falls out of the top 10.

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03-30-2012, 10:41 AM
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That guy might be prone to injuries. We have to be extremely lucky to get someone valuable who ends up worthy of the HYPE.

Besides Don Cherry would probably want a Canadian kid.


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03-30-2012, 10:43 AM
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Mikhail Grigorenko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_ajEXEDlfU

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03-30-2012, 10:44 AM
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His english is really good.

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03-30-2012, 10:53 AM
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You guys are aiming too low. Fail for Nail have faith in the tank.

#1 CBJ - Won't draft a Russian.
#2 EDM - Needs to draft a defenseman.
#3 TOR - Maybe
If the Leafs end up wth #3 i could see them making a swap to get Yakupov...

Maybe this season is divine intervention...

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03-30-2012, 10:56 AM
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I need to investigate Galchenyuk. Without playing the warts are not uncovered.

It seems there is movement from 1 year to the next but when players don't play what do you do, give them a free pass?

And what about Girgensons? He was once considered top 10, but by playing he's dropped down.

Is Yakupov like Hall? Wreckless?

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03-30-2012, 10:59 AM
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Grigorenko>>> Yakupov

Both will go 1 & 2 respectively. Just think McG is that much better, he's more taller and better offensively.

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Here's a scenario ... Make a deal with Edmonton Rumour is they are happy with their current prospects and would be willing to move the pick to fill holes.

What about:

To Edmonton: one of Schenn / Franson + Liles (his limited no trade doesn kick in until july 1st) + Rynus (sp?) / Owuya + 2013 1st (conditional - if top 5, it moves to 2014)

To Toronto:

2nd overall pick + Khabibulin (take the last year of his contract off their hands)

Khabby could be a good vet fill in, and with only one year remaining on his deal - buys us time to a) see if this was just a sophmore slump for Riems, or b) find a better long term solution.

Then we can draft Girggs (2nd) and either Gally / Foresberg (5th)

THEN I say we move another piece or two to get a later first, and draft Subban / Vasilevski ...

Then move Komisarek + prospect (D'Amigo?) to the Isles for their 2nd round pick

Then pick up Tom Wilson + a solid D prospect.


Now THAT"s what I would call a dream draft

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03-30-2012, 11:01 AM
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I need to investigate Galchenyuk. Without playing the warts are not uncovered.
I have a gut feeling Gally is injury prone... MG, IMO, seems better offensively and has much more size.

I want McG to be a leaf so bad.

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03-30-2012, 11:09 AM
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grigorenko looks bigger
but hell lets get them both

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Both similar, but I like McG better. He is the perfect fit for the leafs. I do think it'll be tough to get him, unless we give up Kesselor a package to trade up.

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03-30-2012, 11:15 AM
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Grigorenko by a good margin, has the talent to be a future superstar.

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I know this is about Grigs vs Galy, but what about if we won the lottery? Is Yakupov a guarentee/slam dunk pick? Do we just draft him NO MATTER WHAT, or do we potentially think about trading down a spot or two to select either grigs or galy?

From what I have read about Yakupov, he is an explosive player and is the real deal, but we need a centre so badly. Man how nice would it be to win the lottery and select Nail, than if Galy slips to like 6 or 7, we find a way to trade some pieces to get the 6/7 pick and draft galy. Imagine Galchenyuk and Yakupov?

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I know this is about Grigs vs Galy, but what about if we won the lottery? Is Yakupov a guarentee/slam dunk pick? Do we just draft him NO MATTER WHAT, or do we potentially think about trading down a spot or two to select either grigs or galy?

From what I have read about Yakupov, he is an explosive player and is the real deal, but we need a centre so badly. Man how nice would it be to win the lottery and select Nail, than if Galy slips to like 6 or 7, we find a way to trade some pieces to get the 6/7 pick and draft galy. Imagine Galchenyuk and Yakupov?
Worth noting also: Faksa, Galchenyuk, and Yakupov all have been bitten by the injury bug. Adds more risk to them also.

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