Drew is right there. Just saying 'go out and win the game' is the most lazy moronic type of analyzing there is.
There's just so many YEARS you can hear, "Well, it was just a hot goalie" or "The bounces went their way" or, "They have our number". If you are an elite team, Ratto is right.....just go out and win the game.
I like his ability to break down plays. He has an excellent eye for the game and is very pedagogic. But he also is a bit of a homer and his constant whining about penalties and the refs get tiring.
He is ridiculous about the refs. But while he is a Sharks homer, very few analysts will compliment opposing players as much as he does. He and Hahn are a pair that don't just talk about the Sharks for 2 1/2 hrs.
Drew is right there. Just saying 'go out and win the game' is the most lazy moronic type of analyzing there is.
Yea, I don't see it that way.
We can all analyze the reasons that a team doesn't get the job done, but in the end, all that matters is that they didn't get the job done.
If you fancy yourself a Cup contender, you find ways to win the last two games the Sharks played. Not "they tried" to win the game, as Drew stated. No **** Sherlock, every team tries to win the game. At some point though, you kinda have to actually do it. That's kinda the point of the whole sports thing....
We can all analyze the reasons that a team doesn't get the job done, but in the end, all that matters is that they didn't get the job done.
If you fancy yourself a Cup contender, you find ways to win the last two games the Sharks played. Not "they tried" to win the game, as Drew stated. No **** Sherlock, every team tries to win the game. At some point though, you kinda have to actually do it. That's kinda the point of the whole sports thing....
I kind of agree with the fat guy in street clothes. Teams need to find ways to win if they're gonna make the grade. It applies to everyone. Its a gripe I have about my own team.
I kind of agree with the fat guy in street clothes. Teams need to find ways to win if they're gonna make the grade. It applies to everyone. Its a gripe I have about my own team.
Agreed. In the end that's what it's all about. I mean, that's the essence of sports. At some point, the excuses have to stop and the "trying" has to turn into actual wins.
I don't see how Ray was out of line at all. Those were pretty damn close to must win games for the Sharks, and they didn't win. Sports is a bottomline business, and winning is the bottomline.
Fat guy was right and Remenda is an apologist for an underachieving team that is being outplayed by lesser talented teams at a time when they should be showing urgency. Of course they were "trying" to win, but there's "trying" and there's "TRYING".
So I'm guessing there's a little bit of history between these two- and not just based on the "I love Drew to death, I really do..." bit at the end.
Tubby makes a good point in this instance, and Drew does what he always does (as one of the biggest homers amongst big homers that are colour commentators).
All Ratto was saying is that if they are truly a Stanley Cup contender, they would go out there and execute. The Sharks have been abysmal on the road and have faltered down the stretch. With the team they have on paper, should they be concerned about making the playoffs? No. If they can't play well on the road and can't win games, do they deserve to be in the playoffs? No. However, if you lose, that doesn't mean you didn't have enough effort. When a team outshoots a team 40-20 and loses, did they not try? Ratto is wrong about the Sharks' effort. They aren't getting the results. Rememda came off as very frustrated and defensive. Remenda only attacked him about the effort portion. So, Ratto was perfectly fine until questioning the effort of a team. That's when the fan in Remenda came out.
Remenda just comes off as a huge fan in this clip that is upset his team is slipping from the playoffs and doesn't like when someone says something bad about them.
Remenda sounds like a Sharks fan posting on this site.
Go read the Sharks board. Most of us aren't making the excuses Drew made.
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Fat guy was right and Remenda is an apologist for an underachieving team that is being outplayed by lesser talented teams at a time when they should be showing urgency. Of course they were "trying" to win, but there's "trying" and there's "TRYING".
Yep, Sharks just lack that extra gear.
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That's kind of how it is in San Jose, any criticism from the outside is met with anger and vigorous defence of the team.
I'm getting tired of how insular it is. Someone needs to hold DW accountable. Sadly, it may take piss poor teams and fans not coming to games to make the organization realize it.
If you win, you deserve to win. Lose, you deserve to lose. The rest is just excuses.
Yeah, I normally don't agree with Ratto and think he likes being an alarmist / contrarian but he was spot on.
The effort comment wasn't off the mark. If, as Jumbo said, this was the biggest game of the year and that's the effort they give, then Ratto's right about questioning it.
Drew is becoming quite the caricature of a homer - or has been for awhile.
I really like listening to the SJ team but Drew has become quite the homer. It's getting pretty bad and this is just another example. I get that he loves his Sharks, but there is no excuse they should be where they are.
I'm not so sure it was what Ratto said that set Remenda off rather than who said it. I find it very difficult to believe that actual hockey people like Hedican, Remenda, Hahn, and Curtis Brown have no problems sitting there and listening to some guy who obviously has a passing interest/knowledge of the sport bad mouth the team every other day, especially at the end of a very frustrating season. If Hahn had said the exact same thing, I seriously doubt Remenda would've lost it like that.
In this case, Ratto said what everyone is thinking, and it's obvious that they do. Throughout the games for the last couple months, time and again, the words "keep it simple" have been uttered, by the booth, by the studio, and by the team. The Sharks have looked panicked, frustrated, tentative, and unconfident. Good teams, when hitting a bump in the road, can take a step back and relax; they can keep it simple and eventually win the games they're supposed to. The Sharks haven't been able to do that.
It's just sad that Ratto had to be the guy that said it, but he's sort of made a career out of being that guy, even if it was always more about the 49ers and the Giants.
Can we just agree that they're both idiots who really shouldn't have the jobs they're currently employed in and know next to nothing about hockey beyond the trite cliches they've absorbed over the years? It boggles the mind that Drew was ever a video analyst and assistant coach for an NHL team with some of the stupid **** he says on the air...of course I guess losing 70 games hardly qualifies you as an "NHL team."
Ray pretty much says cup contender teams win enough games to make the playoffs. I can't really argue with that, even if it's not very insightful I expect from a televised post-game analyst. If I expand on it, he's on the right track. Stop calling yourself a cup contender if you can't even make the playoffs. Stop pretending that everything's ok and it's just a bad luck streak when you're 78 games into the season.
Drew says it's all luck! Best coaching staff EVAR. which I think any unbaised hockey fan will disagree with. He ends with that if the Sharks have enough points after 82 games they deserve to be in the playoffs... which is not that different from what Ratto said.
Ratto is a terrible hockey analyst, but his underlying point was correct. Drew's blow up was homer-rage, and in the end agreed with what Ratto's overall point.
