If any of you bothered to watch the game you'd know Remenda, usually a total homer, is more right than Ratto in this case. The Sharks should have won and I'm a Coyotes fan. If it wasn't for some perfectly clutch clearing around the net and Mike Smith, the game would have easily been in the Sharks favor after the 1st. I thought they quit, more or less, in the 2nd and 3rd periods. All of the Sharks minor role players were playing hard but I didn't hear Thornton's name once and Marleau actually caused a PP where the worst in the league scored.
The Sharks were on the 2nd game of a back to back against a rested Phoenix team that got back 50 goals worth of scoring and a top Dman, in a game that Phoenix absolutely had to win.
That isn't a "just win the game" situation. That's for when you play Columbus or whatever.
I don't really know anything about the analyst but I love Drew Remenda. He can be a bit of a homer at times but the many clearly knows his hockey and isn't afraid to acknowledge when someone else is simply better.
I also agree with him when he talks about lack of effort vs. lack of success. Some of us on the Devils board have been tearing each other to shreds over this the last few weeks. Sometimes you try really hard and things just don't go your way. Yeah, it sucks when you lose, but there are 29 other teams in the league that want to win just as bad as you do and they're not going to give you a timeout while you figure it out.
Lack of focus and lack of execution often gets misdiagnosed as lack of effort and it makes me really angry because most of the people criticizing an hockey player's effort have never actually played hockey before. Anybody that's played hockey knows what an intensive game it is and that not trying just simply doesn't get you to a level like the NHL.
I don't claim to be familiar with the Sharks situation at all, maybe they need a shake-up and maybe they don't. But when it comes to EFFORT it's not just unfair to criticize them while sitting at your computer desk, it's also borderline insulting to the team you claim to love.
I havn't followed the Sharks much but considering their "fall from grace" this year as the guranteed Pacific winner, its obvious something is wrong.
Remanda comes off as a blind homer. The Sharks are CLEARLY not playing up to expectations. With their roster, especially their improved defense, everyone thought they would be battling for 1st in the West, not an 8 seed.
Ray definitely oversimplifies the Sharks problems. Its very easy (and cheap) to say "Just Win the Game!" because any schmuck on HF Boards can do that. However, thats the only thing wrong i heard him say. Good teams win hockey games. Its a simplification but its true.
I couldn't tell you how many times during the Hawks season that i had to hear "Oh, well Rinne just had our number tonight", "The Kings just really outplayed us, tonight wasn't our night". You can only say/hear that so many times throughout a season before a team stops being "unlucky" and starts being a bad Hockey team.
For whatever reason, the Sharks are NOT a playoff team this year. They have an outstanding roster sans Niemi, and they should be winning a lot more of their games. Again, i'm not a Sharks fan so i dont watch them night in and night out but when a team with Thorton, Marleau, Pavelski, Havlat, Couture, Burns, Vlassic, Demers, Boyle, and Clowe is hanging on desperately trying to make the playoffs instead of riding the rest of the season comfortably, something is wrong.
I don't really know anything about the analyst but I love Drew Remenda. He can be a bit of a homer at times but the many clearly knows his hockey and isn't afraid to acknowledge when someone else is simply better.
I also agree with him when he talks about lack of effort vs. lack of success. Some of us on the Devils board have been tearing each other to shreds over this the last few weeks. Sometimes you try really hard and things just don't go your way. Yeah, it sucks when you lose, but there are 29 other teams in the league that want to win just as bad as you do and they're not going to give you a timeout while you figure it out.
Lack of focus and lack of execution often gets misdiagnosed as lack of effort and it makes me really angry because most of the people criticizing an hockey player's effort have never actually played hockey before. Anybody that's played hockey knows what an intensive game it is and that not trying just simply doesn't get you to a level like the NHL.
I don't claim to be familiar with the Sharks situation at all, maybe they need a shake-up and maybe they don't. But when it comes to EFFORT it's not just unfair to criticize them while sitting at your computer desk, it's also borderline insulting to the team you claim to love.
Agree for the most part, but it's throwing out Ratto's overall point because he says other stupid things (which is what he normally does).
Ratto's point was that despite the high # of shots, the Sharks consistently do not score goals or get quality scoring chances and lose games like a non-playoff team. This is why they are not currently in a playoff position. Calling it effort is wrong, but that's just as wrong as claiming the Sharks are the best coached team with top-tier talent and are only in 9th place because of "luck" or "hot opposing goaltending".
Drew Remenda is such a homer. The Sharks went 1-5 against a **** Ducks team this year. The sharks are not as bad as the fatty is making it sound but cmon Drew, your team just got their their ASS kicked by a celler dwelling Ducks and are on the verge of missing the playoffs
If any of you bothered to watch the game you'd know Remenda, usually a total homer, is more right than Ratto in this case. The Sharks should have won and I'm a Coyotes fan
This is exactly the point though. "The Sharks should have won". Yes, but they didn't. That's the problem. All the rest of it is just fluff.
This isn't a knock on the Coyotes, it's simply calling a spade a spade in the case of San Jose. They needed those last two games badly, and regardless of how well they played or who they were playing, they didn't get the job done. Everything else is irrelevant.
To further the point: Phoenix needed the game badly too, was outplayed, and STILL found a way to win. That's kinda the point here, as finding a way to win is all that matters.
Drew Remenda is such a homer. The Sharks went 1-5 against a **** Ducks team this year. The sharks are not as bad as the fatty is making it sound but cmon Drew, your team just got their their ASS kicked by a celler dwelling Ducks and are on the verge of missing the playoffs
If 1-5 vs the Ducks doesn't signify the sharks season I don't know what does
There's just so many YEARS you can hear, "Well, it was just a hot goalie" or "The bounces went their way" or, "They have our number". If you are an elite team, Ratto is right.....just go out and win the game.
That's what I'm saying - you can't make that excuse every time. So I'm on Ratto's side here (shocking). And you forgot, "the team was injured."
Ramenda is a good color guy but there is nothing wrong with what Ratto said there. Going from a strong Cup contending team a year ago to possibly not making the playoffs in what should have been an easy division to win is inexcusable. The moves Doug Wilson made in the offseason look very questionable.
If 1-5 vs the Ducks doesn't signify the sharks season I don't know what does
It actally is. Teams that play a similar syle to the Ducks are Phoenix, and Tampa but the Sharks can't beat those teams. Yet they play Detroit and Boston and they can beat those teams. I think this is why a lot of fans think the biggest issue with the Sharks is coaching. They are incapable of adapting to a certain style of play.
Blues fan here, but I watch a ton of games on Center Ice. I can barely stand to watch a Sharks home feed because of the whining that goes on about every little thing. Its obsessive.
This clip is no surprise. It would be nice to hear a little more analytical explanation of why the Sharks have failed to live up to expectations.
People here stating Remenda is a homer/fanboy should just get out, that's clearly stating the obvious, and Sharks aren't the only ones with homers on their broadcast teams.
Anywho, I disagree with Remenda here.
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Blues fan here, but I watch a ton of games on Center Ice. I can barely stand to watch a Sharks home feed because of the whining that goes on about every little thing. Its obsessive.
I don't want to call you a liar, but how do you ignore all the countless times drew and hahn constantly praise the other team? they are homers no doubt, but every game they actually talk about the opposite teams player and constantly say good things about it, I honestly find it annoying that people can come here and simply go "SHARKS BROADCAST R HOMERS THEY SUK" but I've watched EVERY GAME THIS SEASON and they constantly say good things about the other team.
The last time the Sharks played the blues, they praised hitchcock and the blues young defensive core, how the hell is that bad?
I think what really made Remenda blow up was the accusation the team didn't care. That's a serious accusation and if you're around a team a lot like Remenda is it's offensive, too.
I don't see a lot of Sharks games and I can't tell you why they are struggling for a playoff spot but I doubt it's because they don't care. They might simply not be that good, they might simply have made some bad moves, some of those guys may have regressed to the mean, and that's gotta be analyzed.
2 things. First, imo Ratto was right in this case. If Bret Hedican (analyst sitting next to Ratto) would have said what Ratto said Drew wouldn't have even opened his mouth.
Second, where are all these homer comments coming from? Remenda calls games pretty neutral and is constantly lambasting the Sharks for things they're doing wrong, multiple times per game. His comments here were pretty homerish but this is the most extreme case I've seen in all my years watching every Sharks broadcast.
