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03-30-2012, 10:57 AM
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Hamrlik really did that bad with Washington? If thats the case, scratch my idea. I apparently held the curious notion he did very well over there.

I was just looking for a way to kill two birds with one stone.
He's played more lately...but I would prefer a 2-3 year solution until Tinordi/Pateryn/Ellis are ready for top 4 minutes.

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03-30-2012, 11:04 AM
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He's played more lately...but I would prefer a 2-3 year solution until Tinordi/Pateryn/Ellis are ready for top 4 minutes.
I really got the impression he was having a great year when we played Washington in November.

Oh well, in that case I agree with you. Better a relatively solid fixture for middle-term

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03-30-2012, 11:04 AM
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Please no Semin!

One of the most heartless, disinterested, laziest player in the league. The guy plays with Backstrom and Ovi, is one of the most talented hockey player in the world yet underachieves almost every year. Remember the year we beat Washington in the playoffs? Semin was completely invisible for the whole series. I'd rather throw that money to a Shane Doan type, at the very least he brings a physical game, leadership and a lot of character. At least he cares..

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03-30-2012, 11:12 AM
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Seeing how good he was before he got paired with Weber and how Weber looked without him or Hamhuis I think you couldn't be more wrong.
We'll see next year.

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03-30-2012, 11:36 AM
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The UFA list is quite thin this year in terms of talent.


Ryan Suter would be my top priority...

But if we could end up with a guy like Garrisson or even O'Brien, I would be satisfied.

We can get some quality wingers via trades.

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03-30-2012, 11:39 AM
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O'Brien. Shane mother ****ing O'Brien.

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03-30-2012, 11:45 AM
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O'Brien. Shane mother ****ing O'Brien.
He looks good with the Avs this season. As a #6 big D-man,playing 15-16 min. why not ?

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03-30-2012, 11:49 AM
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He looks good with the Avs this season. As a #6 big D-man,playing 15-16 min. why not ?
Depends on your definition of good. If you think that a #6 guy who doesn't know his limits is a good thing you're mistaken.

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O'Brien-Diaz would be good imo.

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03-30-2012, 11:57 AM
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Please no Semin!

One of the most heartless, disinterested, laziest player in the league. The guy plays with Backstrom and Ovi, is one of the most talented hockey player in the world yet underachieves almost every year. Remember the year we beat Washington in the playoffs? Semin was completely invisible for the whole series. I'd rather throw that money to a Shane Doan type, at the very least he brings a physical game, leadership and a lot of character. At least he cares..
i fully agree

i want semin no where near this team. I rather have AK back then semin

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03-30-2012, 11:58 AM
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Depends on your definition of good. If you think that a #6 guy who doesn't know his limits is a good thing you're mistaken.
Yeah, I don't think he's "good". But that's why you play him 15 minutes, and maybe not even every night (just don't tell him that's the plan when you offer him the contract ). But he's tough, and "adequate" many nights, and has a good reputation as a teammate. I mean, we're rolling 2-4 defensemen every night this season who aren't "good", and nobody lines up a roster with 8 "good" defensemen, so I'm still ok with signing him for the specialized elements he does bring. So long as you get the rest of it all sorted out and have all the other bases more than amply covered first. He's by no means a top priority or a player that one should overrate in the grand scheme.

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03-30-2012, 12:02 PM
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Please no Semin!

One of the most heartless, disinterested, laziest player in the league. The guy plays with Backstrom and Ovi, is one of the most talented hockey player in the world yet underachieves almost every year. Remember the year we beat Washington in the playoffs? Semin was completely invisible for the whole series. I'd rather throw that money to a Shane Doan type, at the very least he brings a physical game, leadership and a lot of character. At least he cares..
I doubt he scored 195 goals in 465 games being lazy, hearless and disinterested.

I wouldn't say Semin was invisible, he got a ton of chances that series but couldn't bury them, he had 44 shots in 7 games...yes FOURTY FOUR.

Other than that series he has 30 GP and 12-16-28 in the playoffs. I'm sure that beats most big hearted, hard working, interested players.

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O'Brien-Diaz would be good imo.
What do you do with Emelin?

If you use Emelin-Markov as your #2 pair that's a big risk. Emelin needs to show he can take the next step from #5-6 to #3-4 and Markov needs to show he can stay healthy.

To me Emelin is young tough #5-6 d-man and you get another stay at home for the #3-4 spot.

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Parise is a very good player, but at 10 mil per year you'd be seriously handicappy your ability to build a winner. Maybe if it's 5 years at 10 mil then a couple low years at thend to bring the cap hit to Gomez level(7-7.5) I could live with that. If you have to pay him 50 mil over 5 years you are just shooting yourself in the foot Gomez/Cammalleri style.

Suter same situation. He is an excellent d-man but 8 mil/year is a lot unless you can add a few years to reduce the acp hit to about 6.5.
I think Parise is *significantly* better than Gomez/Cammalleri. But who knows. Gainey thought Gomez and Cammalleri were significantly better than Gomez/Cammalleri too, and look how that turned out. I'm ok with taking the risk on these specific players at this specific juncture in time. $100M/10yrs to Parise and $80M/10yrs to Suter. I don't need the frontloads. It's not my money. I happen to believe in those players. For sure those are risky and scary contracts in terms of cap hit *and* term, and we've never seen those hereabouts before. But at $5M per season cap inflation, we'd be at a $100M cap ~mid-way through those contracts. I don't believe those players will want to sign with us even with those outlandish offers, however (based only on cynicism, I don't know them personally of course). But I figure if we're even going to pretend to be players in the chase, we have to crank out the most ridiculously overblown offers out there. Hence my ridiculously overblown offers. If you're going to bother playing, play to win.

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03-30-2012, 12:08 PM
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Yeah, I don't think he's "good". But that's why you play him 15 minutes, and maybe not even every night (just don't tell him that's the plan when you offer him the contract ). But he's tough, and "adequate" many nights, and has a good reputation as a teammate. I mean, we're rolling 2-4 defensemen every night this season who aren't "good", and nobody lines up a roster with 8 "good" defensemen, so I'm still ok with signing him for the specialized elements he does bring. So long as you get the rest of it all sorted out and have all the other bases more than amply covered first. He's by no means a top priority or a player that one should overrate in the grand scheme.
Don't get me wrong, he seems like a great guy and he's a locker room favourite in Denver, but his play took a toll on my nerves. When EJ plays with him he looks like he's wondering ''oh my God what the hell is he going to do the next time'', watching him play is like a roller coster, you love him when he's pushing people around, but you're absolutely terrified when he has the puck on his stick.

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Semin, Prust and Suter for me

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Semin - Plekanec - Gionta
Bourque - Eller - Leblanc
White - Prust - Moen
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Markov - Gorges
Suter - Subban
Kaberle - Emelin
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03-30-2012, 12:11 PM
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What do you do with Emelin?

If you use Emelin-Markov as your #2 pair that's a big risk. Emelin needs to show he can take the next step from #5-6 to #3-4 and Markov needs to show he can stay healthy.

To me Emelin is young tough #5-6 d-man and you get another stay at home for the #3-4 spot.
I think one has to stop worrying about "what do you do with X" when you are building a modern NHL defense. Sign 8 guys who you feel could/should play every night (if you can $$$-wise). They'll sort it out from there. And before you know it, you'll only have 5 or 6 of them healthy anyway.

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03-30-2012, 12:17 PM
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i fully agree

i want semin no where near this team. I rather have AK back then semin
If they intend to throw a boat load of money to a forward, I would target Parise instead of Semin. Semin is a world class talent but he is somewhat injury prone and there is a relentless aura of "attitude problems" surrounding the Capitals.

My #1 priority is still a gritty D but... my GAWD... Parise would sure be a great addition!

Parise – Plekanec – Cole
Pacioretty – Desharnais – Gionta
Bourque – Eller – Moen
xyz – abc - White

42M$ - 5 years – done deal.
Welcome Parise.
Easy job!

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- PA Parenteau
- David Jones
- Shane O'Brien
- Travis Moen
- Brad Staubitz

And some depth players like Guillaume Desbiens and PC Labrie

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Jackman or Grossman + S.O.B. overhaul the d-corps

Sign prust.

If there's room: Shane Doan on the third line with Eller.

And while I've liked what I've seen from Labrie, he's not a free agent.

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03-30-2012, 12:39 PM
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I think Parise is *significantly* better than Gomez/Cammalleri. But who knows. Gainey thought Gomez and Cammalleri were significantly better than Gomez/Cammalleri too, and look how that turned out. I'm ok with taking the risk on these specific players at this specific juncture in time. $100M/10yrs to Parise and $80M/10yrs to Suter. I don't need the frontloads. It's not my money. I happen to believe in those players. For sure those are risky and scary contracts in terms of cap hit *and* term, and we've never seen those hereabouts before. But at $5M per season cap inflation, we'd be at a $100M cap ~mid-way through those contracts. I don't believe those players will want to sign with us even with those outlandish offers, however (based only on cynicism, I don't know them personally of course). But I figure if we're even going to pretend to be players in the chase, we have to crank out the most ridiculously overblown offers out there. Hence my ridiculously overblown offers. If you're going to bother playing, play to win.
It's not about money per se, it's about operating in the NHL salary cap world. If you spend 25% of your cap room on two players and neither is a superstar that's very poor asset mangement.

Sure you want those guys on your team but if you have to screw up your roster for the length of time they are here then it's one step ahead and two steps back.

Players care about winning, being in a good situation and money, those 3 can be in a lot of different order or percentage of importance. I think you can make agressive offers to those guys and still have a manegeable cap situation.

Parise 7 years and 53 mil(10, 10, 10, 10, 6, 4, 3). 7.6 mil cap hit
Suter 7 years and 48 mil(9, 9, 9, 9, 5, 4, 3). 6.85 mil cap hit.

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What do you do with Emelin? If you use Emelin-Markov as your #2 pair that's a big risk. Emelin needs to show he can take the next step from #5-6 to #3-4 and Markov needs to show he can stay healthy. To me Emelin is young tough #5-6 d-man and you get another stay at home for the #3-4 spot.
Wow, you're tough! Emelin was a rookie and had no experience playing with Markov in top form. I think he spent most of his time playing with Weber, Diaz, or Campoli (I'm sure you're check it out). That's a sad introduction to the NHL for anyone.


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I wouldn't say Semin was invisible, he got a ton of chances that series but couldn't bury them, he had 44 shots in 7 games...yes FOURTY FOUR.
Yhea.. I'm not sure we can take whatever stats from this peticular serie as cash. We played an effective collapsible defensive system that allowed easy peripheral zone entry and possession, which gave lots of shots opportunity, but little room to take dangerous shots.

Plus, we were on Ovechkin's back all serie long. Literally.

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how much is garrison or grossman worth?

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I doubt he scored 195 goals in 465 games being lazy, hearless and disinterested.

I wouldn't say Semin was invisible, he got a ton of chances that series but couldn't bury them, he had 44 shots in 7 games...yes FOURTY FOUR.

Other than that series he has 30 GP and 12-16-28 in the playoffs. I'm sure that beats most big hearted, hard working, interested players.
You're arguing with stats, did you not watch him play that year? And at the end of the day, THEY LOST. We had no business beating them that year but perhaps had he helped ovi and Backstrom a little that series, we might've been eliminated in 4 games.

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