10. Jiri Hudler, Detroit Red Wings
Hudler is a talented player who is having a decent season with the Wings and he’ll probably finish with around 51 points. But where will he be next season? As one of the most skilled players on the open market, he’ll probably sign for $5 million or more. And if a team is going to pay him that kind of money, they’re going to play him on the top line and the top PP unit. Just like that, 51 points could become 65 or more.
Keep in mind, 5 million or more means 5 milion or more PER YEAR.
i hope this is true and someone does sign him for this much, only because it means that he has signed somewhere else, because there is no way in hell Holland gives him that kind of money. I like Hudler, and always thought he could put up more points, but at this point I feel we need someone better in that spot and a chance for some of our kids who are ready (Nyquist) to get their shot up their in the next few seasons.
Not on this team he won't. If he can get Marty Lapointe money on the open market, have fun. I'll take Nyquist as a full time player next year as a consolation prize.
Went to this guy's website, all of his predictions are over-estimations. Hudler probably wont ever see 5 million, and he will probably re-sign with the wings for 3-3.5 million next year.
Don't care how much he gets (actually higher the better) since I don't want him re-signed.
Not because he is a bad player but I think we need a different type of top 6 player (we have enough play makers)
Flip - Z - Franzen
Bert - D - Semin/Parise/Nyquist
I think $5M is a little high, but it's not too far off the mark. Ville Leino hit the open market at the same age, with *much* less NHL experience and coming off a 53 point season and got $4.5M per. So Hudler should command $4M+ on the open market.
I think he'll bolt, for a second time, and again it'll be for more $$$. This time he stays in the NHL, though.
10. Jiri Hudler, Detroit Red Wings
Hudler is a talented player who is having a decent season with the Wings and he’ll probably finish with around 51 points. But where will he be next season? As one of the most skilled players on the open market, he’ll probably sign for $5 million or more. And if a team is going to pay him that kind of money, they’re going to play him on the top line and the top PP unit. Just like that, 51 points could become 65 or more.
Keep in mind, 5 million or more means 5 milion or more PER YEAR.
I could see a team doing it.
As the season has gone on, I've moved the needle on Hoodles.
I think we should offer $3.5 to even close to 4.
Realistically, this guy is pretty good at what he does. His production is still very good for his role. Could he be a big time complementary guy on someone's first line and put 60-70 points? Sure.
But he's a good player as a complementary guy on our second line.
I think he also needs a better PP role, to be fair to Hudler.
Even while I advocate for a contract pushing $4M, I acknowledge that comes with some risk, especially when he know that Babcock doesn't hold Hudler in high regard. He's got a line that works now in FLip-Z-Hudler. But it's not hard to imagine him blowing that up, and then demoting Hudler into some role where it would be unrealistic to expect those points.
I think, if Holland follows his recent pattern, he might go as high as $4.2 for Hudler. More expensive than I would like.
I could see a team doing it.
As the season has gone on, I've moved the needle on Hoodles.
I think we should offer $3.5 to even close to 4.
Realistically, this guy is pretty good at what he does. His production is still very good for his role. Could he be a big time complementary guy on someone's first line and put 60-70 points? Sure.
But he's a good player as a complementary guy on our second line.
I think he also needs a better PP role, to be fair to Hudler.
Even while I advocate for a contract pushing $4M, I acknowledge that comes with some risk, especially when he know that Babcock doesn't hold Hudler in high regard. He's got a line that works now in FLip-Z-Hudler. But it's not hard to imagine him blowing that up, and then demoting Hudler into some role where it would be unrealistic to expect those points.
I think, if Holland follows his recent pattern, he might go as high as $4.2 for Hudler. More expensive than I would like.
I would be okay if we re-sign him after Parise and Semin signs with someone else.
I could see a team doing it.
As the season has gone on, I've moved the needle on Hoodles.
I think we should offer $3.5 to even close to 4.
Realistically, this guy is pretty good at what he does. His production is still very good for his role. Could he be a big time complementary guy on someone's first line and put 60-70 points? Sure.
But he's a good player as a complementary guy on our second line.
I think he also needs a better PP role, to be fair to Hudler.
Even while I advocate for a contract pushing $4M, I acknowledge that comes with some risk, especially when he know that Babcock doesn't hold Hudler in high regard. He's got a line that works now in FLip-Z-Hudler. But it's not hard to imagine him blowing that up, and then demoting Hudler into some role where it would be unrealistic to expect those points.
I think, if Holland follows his recent pattern, he might go as high as $4.2 for Hudler. More expensive than I would like.
I worry though if Holland signs him at that price, where does that put Filppula and his contract demands. For all the Flip versus Hudler debates this board has had since both joined the team, this is the first season both have really both been in the top 6 the entire season, and on the same line for most part, and to me Flip has been a much more solid contributor on the wing with his speed, that if Hudler signs for 4 million here I think that puts Flip at 5 m plus.
I don't mind Hudler but I think in an ideal situation on the red wings he would make sure the 3rd line is a scoring puck possession line, with what we have in the bottom 6 these days though I don't think Hudler works on those lines anymore, and its best that we just part ways and go a different direction after this season.
I'm guessing 4.5 per and as a Red Wing. The question is for how long though. I'm really scared we're a few months away from seeing "Jiri Hudler signs 45 million dollar - 10 year contract".
I'm hoping the Wings will re-sign him around 10 mill for 3 years. I have been one of Hudlers biggest supporters and if true that he will be getting over 4 mill on the open market I think Detroit needs to walk away. I have liked him and followed his career ever since he was drafted and hope he sticks around. I wouldn't want the Wings to over pay and end up in cap trouble eventually.
If it also comes down to a contract to Hudler or signing a Suter or Parise I would also be ok to see him walk. In the end I don't believe we will be getting the big UFA's and will end up signing him for 3 years.
I worry though if Holland signs him at that price, where does that put Filppula and his contract demands. For all the Flip versus Hudler debates this board has had since both joined the team, this is the first season both have really both been in the top 6 the entire season, and on the same line for most part, and to me Flip has been a much more solid contributor on the wing with his speed, that if Hudler signs for 4 million here I think that puts Flip at 5 m plus.
I don't mind Hudler but I think in an ideal situation on the red wings he would make sure the 3rd line is a scoring puck possession line, with what we have in the bottom 6 these days though I don't think Hudler works on those lines anymore, and its best that we just part ways and go a different direction after this season.
If Flip keeps it up, including the playoffs and starting next year strong, we're looking in that price range anyway.
With Hudler, I think it's a question of how easily we think we can replace his IT and production. I'm hoping our first priority is Parise, who would easily step into that top6 role and be a better player. Bring Gus up, too, and put him somewhere in the top9, and it's a noticeable upgrade to our forwards as a group. If we can't grab Parise (or Semin, though I'd rather have Parise), then it becomes a question of what second tier forward we want to pursue and at what price. It's at that point that I hope Hudler first gets serious consideration for being brought back.
edit: and I guess all of these discussions need the caveat that we're assuming nothing huge happens with the cap and the next round of CBA negotiations.
I said this in the Hudler topic. We'll give him 3 mil or so roughly. I'd like 2.5 but if we want to keep him we might have to give 3.5 so be prepared. If there's a team out there who has to reach the cap floor or is desperate (and there's always at least one team), and Hudler wants some money, he may get 5 mil. Teams in the East who don't see us a lot and aren't as educated as certain other teams still view anything we touch with awe. They may see Hudler as an offensive star who was held down for whatever reason.
I still remember when he came back, he suggested (not verbatim) that it's about more than money and he missed the Wings. We'll see if he still feels that way.
He might get it but it won't be on the Wings. It also would not surprise me in the least if Hudler became one of those guys that tears it up on a terrible team, scoring in the 70 point range. Guys has always reminded me a little of how I felt about Koslov.
He might get it but it won't be on the Wings. It also would not surprise me in the least if Hudler became one of those guys that tears it up on a terrible team, scoring in the 70 point range. Guys has always reminded me a little of how I felt about Koslov.
It's funny how much offense will come when you don't have to be responsible or take defensive zone faceoffs. IE; Crosby, Malkin, Sedins, etc. Makes the Toews, Datsyuks, Kopitars and the like much more impressive.
