The way he has been used in long island does anybody believe the he may still become a top line forward? One goal in the whole season is terrible. Has anyone seen him play and do you think that his mojo may be completely done and he fades away or is there still high hopes on this kid? I think they ruined him by keeping him up this season.
He looked solid against the Pens last night but I still think this has been a wasted year for him and he should spend next year in the AHL playing big minutes.
The way he has been used in long island does anybody believe the he may still become a top line forward? One goal in the whole season is terrible. Has anyone seen him play and do you think that his mojo may be completely done and he fades away or is there still high hopes on this kid? I think they ruined him by keeping him up this season.
He looked solid against the Pens last night but I still think this has been a wasted year for him and he should spend next year in the AHL playing big minutes.
Moving up off the 4th line and playing with better players has helped.
Still, I agree it has been a wasted yr for him and imo,the biggest reason Cappy needs to go.I expect him to spend most of next season in Bridgeport.
Ruined? Not. Hurt a lot? Yes. Doubt he'll ever become top line player, might be solid second liner though. Honestly, I would be shocked if he became that 80 point powerforward star some thought he will be. Probably 20-30 points next year, 35-45 year after and 50-55 in 2014/15...60 point potential max.
Ruined? Not. Hurt a lot? Yes. Doubt he'll ever become top line player, might be solid second liner though. Honestly, I would be shocked if he became that 80 point powerforward star some thought he will be. Probably 20-30 points next year, 35-45 year after and 50-55 in 2014/15...60 point potential max.
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I'm not sure I so much believe in "ruining" players. Nobody really knows how guys would turn out with more/less time in juniors, it's all speculation. Most of the guys who make the team really early but end up busting might have done the same thing if they'd stayed in juniors. I mean, Seguin only got 12 mpg as an 18 year old last season, and was healthy scratched at times, didn't stop him from blowing up this year. If you have the talent/ability, you'll probably succeed eventually.
With that being said, I could see it playing somewhat of a role in terms of career path. If you're borderline talent-wise in terms of top 6 vs. bottom 6, but spend a long time in juniors/the AHL where you really play in a star role, and develop both offensive ability and confidence on offense, I can see it leading to more of a top 6 role, while if you play in the NHL before you're ready to you could get "stuck" just working on your defensive game, and never truly gaining the necessary offensive skill and confidence to play on the 1st or 2nd line.
I think Nino should be back in juniors right now, but at the same time I think if you're a truly skilled player, you will rise to the top more or less no matter what. Nino will probably play in the AHL next year, Turris-style, where he should get a chance to play a more prominent offensive role, and concentrate primarily on improving his offensive rather than defensive game. I don't think he's "ruined," but I do think he may not have had the highest offensive upside to start with, and this year probably has not been the best in terms of developing his offensive abilities OR in terms of his confidence in his ability to be an offensive contributor at this level.
Can anyone think of another top 5 pick who played 50+ games in their first true rookie season, while recording just 0-1 points? I can't think of any, forwards only obviously. Joe Thornton springs to mind somewhat, with 7 points in 55 games in his rookie year, but that's still a lot more than 1 point.
I'm not sure I so much believe in "ruining" players. Nobody really knows how guys would turn out with more/less time in juniors, it's all speculation. Most of the guys who make the team really early but end up busting might have done the same thing if they'd stayed in juniors. I mean, Seguin only got 12 mpg as an 18 year old last season, and was healthy scratched at times, didn't stop him from blowing up this year. If you have the talent/ability, you'll probably succeed eventually.
With that being said, I could see it playing somewhat of a role in terms of career path. If you're borderline talent-wise in terms of top 6 vs. bottom 6, but spend a long time in juniors/the AHL where you really play in a star role, and develop both offensive ability and confidence on offense, I can see it leading to more of a top 6 role, while if you play in the NHL before you're ready to you could get "stuck" just working on your defensive game, and never truly gaining the necessary offensive skill and confidence to play on the 1st or 2nd line.
I think Nino should be back in juniors right now, but at the same time I think if you're a truly skilled player, you will rise to the top more or less no matter what. Nino will probably play in the AHL next year, Turris-style, where he should get a chance to play a more prominent offensive role, and concentrate primarily on improving his offensive rather than defensive game. I don't think he's "ruined," but I do think he may not have had the highest offensive upside to start with, and this year probably has not been the best in terms of developing his offensive abilities OR in terms of his confidence in his ability to be an offensive contributor at this level.
Can anyone think of another top 5 pick who played 50+ games in their first true rookie season, while recording just 0-1 points? I can't think of any, forwards only obviously. Joe Thornton springs to mind somewhat, with 7 points in 55 games in his rookie year, but that's still a lot more than 1 point.
How many of those top 5 picks, played less then 10 minutes a game, with players like Reasoner and Pandolfo,aging vets with little left in the tank? How many were of those top 5 picks were healthy scratches for several games,even after the playoffs were no more then a miracle possibility?
2-3 games ago Nino was a healthy scratch
He's playing with his confidence shredded and needs a full season in the AHL.
It is worth noting that, according to behindthenet, only 2 even strength points have been scored while Nino has been on the ice, and he was in on 1 of them. 2 ES goals for, 26 ES goals against over his time on the ice this season. Obviously he is not being used in particularly offensive situations. According to leftwinglock, he has played primarily with Pandolfo (3 points in 57 games this year), Tim Wallace (1 point in 31 games) and Reasoner (6 points in 56 games) this season, it's not that surprising that a raw rookie playing with some offensively useless 4th liners is equalling virtually no scoring.
How many of those top 5 picks, played less then 10 minutes a game, with players like Reasoner and Pandolfo,aging vets with little left in the tank? How many were of those top 5 picks were healthy scratches for several games,even after the playoffs were no more then a miracle possibility?
2-3 games ago Nino was a healthy scratch
He's playing with his confidence shredded and needs a full season in the AHL.
I do think he could easily become a good 3rd or even good 2nd line winger. Who knows, maybe a decent 1st line winger. I was actually writing my above post at the same time that you were writing yours, with both posts containing some of the same points. I'm definitely not writing him off, and agree that he should play in the AHL next year to get some confidence back, I'm just wondering if this is something that has actually never happened before (top 5 pick, 50+ games in rookie year, 0-1 points).
So I think there's not one player that was drafted in the top prospect and finish with less then 5 pts and wasn't a bust. I just couldn't get one and hopefully someone can prove me wrong. Hopefully this was helpfull!!
