I don't see that happening either considering the term of their deals. One or both may walk at the end of their deals but trades don't seem very likely to me. I'd like for them to stay whether or not we are contenders by then but, like with Nabokov, not always in the cards for various reasons. At the very least, I'd keep Marleau even with his faults. I'm selfish and I want a career long Shark...at least just once. lol
I'm talking like the last year of the deal... I doubt it would happen this offseason... I think TMac will be gone and DW will be given one last shot... Either way, I just feel like the clock is ticking with this core and there is only so much that can be done in one offseason.
People wanting to start over, its probably gonna take 3 seasons at least to even be considered a contender. I don't think generational talents like Crosby and Malkin are playing out there right now in the world.
2. Try to move Niemi or bring in a backup that could take the starting role or platoon effectively. Niemi is the biggest problem with our defense IMO, we need a goalie who lets out less rebounds. Maybe someone like JS giguere, just someone with huge fluffly pads. Just some guy who will stop the first shot and keep it right there so our D can collapse and freeze it, every single time.
IDK, isn't it time that the young goalies the Sharks have in the system get an extended look? I mean, not under Tmac where they'd get buried because of his nemo *love*
I'd still take a shot at Steve Mason, we'll give them a 7th. I think he'd be a great reclamation project. Trade Greiss too and get Stalock up here and see how he does.
Not totally defending him but Niemi is not the reason we lost last night ,Handzus didn't play so it wasn't him but it was those so called Horses you speak of that cost us last night and quite a few other nights,or wait was it that we ran into a red hot goalie....I agree with what your saying but this is a deep problem that has been going on for a couple of years..we need finishers,we need character, we have guys that can shoot a lot at the goalies chest and make him look like a superstar
Yes I know we were one series away from Stanley cup finals two years in a row...but we didnt have the finishers
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I'm talking like the last year of the deal... I doubt it would happen this offseason... I think TMac will be gone and DW will be given one last shot... Either way, I just feel like the clock is ticking with this core and there is only so much that can be done in one offseason.
People wanting to start over, its probably gonna take 3 seasons at least to even be considered a contender. I don't think generational talents like Crosby and Malkin are playing out there right now in the world.
nathan mackinnon, halifax mooseheads, said by many to be the next crosby. highly unlikely but he is putting up excellent Q numbers
Not totally defending him but Niemi is not the reason we lost last night ,Handzus didn't play so it wasn't him but it was those so called Horses you speak of that cost us last night and quite a few other nights,or wait was it that we ran into a red hot goalie....I agree with what your saying but this is a deep problem that has been going on for a couple of years..we need finishers,we need character, we have guys that can shoot a lot at the goalies chest and make him look like a superstar
Yes I know we were one series away from Stanley cup finals two years in a row...but we didnt have the finishers
actually we did have finishers. 2 in fact named Dany Heatley and Devin Setoguchi. heatleys the best in the buisness at putting away lose pucks and one timers. he cant skate, dangle or hit but he finishes very well. dont discount him just because he had 2 goals, he drew defences towards him, leaving more empty space.
setoguchi had a helluva wrister and could pot the puck as well.
actually we did have finishers. 2 in fact named Dany Heatley and Devin Setoguchi. heatleys the best in the buisness at putting away lose pucks and one timers. he cant skate, dangle or hit but he finishes very well. dont discount him just because he had 2 goals, he drew defences towards him, leaving more empty space.
setoguchi had a helluva wrister and could pot the puck as well.
two finishers. GONE. thats our problem
Yeah and what makes these guys more the finishing type when compared to Pavelski, Marleau, and Couture... or even Havlat?
Of course if the Sharks can somehow find a way to add 35 goals to their season total they won't need to rebuild.
I'd say a full season of Havlat should account for an extra 14 minimum (he should be able to score those by himself) to 25.... so at least 10 more to go
This makes trading Pavelski and picks for Nash pretty questionable.... You would pretty much have to count on Nash scoring over 40 goals assuming Pavs scores once or twice before the season in done.
I would say that the Sharks could solve all their problems with one FA signing but that would require a top six forward either getting traded or displaced on the lower lines so there would be a loss in goals that would have to be considered along with the gain.
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IDK, isn't it time that the young goalies the Sharks have in the system get an extended look? I mean, not under Tmac where they'd get buried because of his nemo *love*
Vokoun wants his payday or long term deal and he aint getting it..
Give him a cheap one year deal and let one of the projects earn the job and have Vokoun + prospect fight for the job during the season.
Niemi needs to go, someone like the Jackets who need a goalie.
Douglass M. is far too slow and terrible for this team
Boyle - I like him but this the only chance to trade him so if they get something good, do it
Make a run at some free agents figure out the rest.
Some team would have to be really dumb to take on Niemi. His value has got to be at an all time low right now with his sub par play and $4m contract. A team thats desperate for goaltending would probably exhaust all other options first before touching Niemi.
if we dont make the playoffs i would package our 1st ( which would be around the 14th/15th pick) and niemi to tampa for their 1st. that way we move up a few spots in the draft, gain cap space, and we go cheap in goal with griess and stalock.
Some team would have to be really dumb to take on Niemi. His value has got to be at an all time low right now with his sub par play and $4m contract. A team thats desperate for goaltending would probably exhaust all other options first before touching Niemi.
Why he is doing about as well as last year. Why would his value drop at all?
Why he is doing about as well as last year. Why would his value drop at all?
he's doing worse than last year in every statistical category, in a year where scoring is down league wide (from 2.71 to 2.65 gf per team). what team would want a below average goalie at any price too? he has zero value, can't see any team wanting him. a guy like elliot/halak or schneider or vokun will be available, no team will want niemi.
doug wilson just has no eye for goaltenders. nitty was a total failure of a pickup and niemi has not been the reliable stud we really needed at times.
he's doing worse than last year in every statistical category, in a year where scoring is down league wide (from 2.71 to 2.65 gf per team). what team would want a below average goalie at any price too? he has zero value, can't see any team wanting him. a guy like elliot/halak or schneider or vokun will be available, no team will want niemi.
doug wilson just has no eye for goaltenders. nitty was a total failure of a pickup and niemi has not been the reliable stud we really needed at times.
Those guys you bring up won't come cheap with the exception of Vokoun, who is only slightly better than Niemi at this point. Niemi will cost, at most, a 2nd round pick and likely cheaper.
1) more 5 on 5 goal scoring - we lack scoring depth past the top 6 forwards, i was looking at GF for last year and we'll end up 30-35 less. This needs to come from the 3rd and 4th lines. I'd want to retool the 3rd line, once again. We need 2 solid 35-45 point players, with speed.
2) PK still sucks - 3rd from the bottom in the NHL, We need a specialist or two on this, someone that fits with 1).
3) need to tweek the D - i'm concerned about speed, shut down ability as well as puck moving here.
I'm really not ready to get into players that should go or come in yet as i'd prefer to wait till the off season. Generally the top half of the team, at every position i'm fine with and believe that the problem is the other half.
4) coaching staff changes - i'm generally ok with Tmac, not impressed with the assistants generally. I'd replace all of the assistants. Again, not sure who i'd want as it's to early to say hows available.
1) more 5 on 5 goal scoring - we lack scoring depth past the top 6 forwards, i was looking at GF for last year and we'll end up 30-35 less. This needs to come from the 3rd and 4th lines. I'd want to retool the 3rd line, once again. We need 2 solid 35-45 point players, with speed.
Really?
Last year's 3rd and 4th line goal total: 54
This year's 3rd and 4th line goal total so far: 51
On the 4th line, let Handzus have an offseason to get motivated. If not up to management's liking, cut him. If he is, let him battle it out with a kid and a FA pickup. We should see how he plays first, however, before letting him go. Either way we're eating money. I think Desi has earned more playing time this season. And I'd say our top 6 is still pretty solid. I think our 13th and 14th forwards will be based on the market. Hopefully we get a Malhotra. If not, let a kid earn his time (I'm kind of over Ferreiro though).
Boyle- Vlasic
Burns- Stuart
Demers- Braun
(FA pickup, or Vandy?)
I'm gonna miss Murray, and I'm gonna hate to play against him, but the man is nothing but strength. Stuart is more versatile and plays just as physical. I believe Braun has earned his stay. I can see Demers getting shipped out maybe. If there is a better player we can get at a win-win then go for it. But I wouldn't say there is a no need to gamble. Keeping things the same will be explained later.
1a Greiss
1b Stalock/FA
How's stalock doing? If not so good, then bring in a FA to compete with Greiss. But Niemi is just a bad goalie. He has poor positioning, average reaction time, poor lateral movement, can't catch, a lazy stance (you should watch his glove hand when the puck is behind the goal line, not ready at all), and can't play the puck. Also, he slides a lot I've been noticing, not the sign of a technical goalie. I think the Sharks should try a platoon with Greiss and another. I know many of you don't trust Greiss completely, but there is a reason he is the starting goalie for Germany. That's talent whether you agree or not, and I believe the Sharks have not given him enough games in a row to catch the speed of the game and truly acclimate himself with NHL play. This gives us the flexibility to pick up a goalie on the market if there is one, make a conservative trade in the offseason for a goalie, or just give Stalock a try and hope one pulls away with it (maybe channeling their inner Nabby, Kipper, and Toskala. RIP Warren Strelow). If they both fail, then that's what the trade deadline is for. Hopefully we can get rid of Niemi before the draft or pick up some forward prospects. But this also keeps our payroll low to make a move if we need to come deadline day.
GM- Doug Wilson
New coach, new staff.
I hope the Sharks stay conservative this offseason. Almost every offseason there have been a handful of new faces, and by the end of the season, a couple more. Maybe we need to build chemistry? Either way, I could see upper management trying out one last coach before they fire Doug. This is a completely different team then the Sutter days, and that just leaves 1 other coach since Darryl. I'm hoping they get a defensive minded coach because they tend to be much more conservative with the offense strategy. This team has been known to go cold, we need to commit to defense.
If this team fails one more time, then rebuild. But we have tried different options (high scoring, defensive, bring in big time forward, bring in big time defender (x2), goalie change, coaching change) and i think this will be their last one. They are going to try to keep the same team, and try a new coaching strategy before blaming the players for their play and hauling much of the team.
Just my two sense. This season has been depressing as **** and I'm kind of hoping they put the dagger in me sooner rather than later. Is it too early to start the "WE BELIEVE" shirts and rally towels and what not?
he's doing worse than last year in every statistical category, in a year where scoring is down league wide (from 2.71 to 2.65 gf per team). what team would want a below average goalie at any price too? he has zero value, can't see any team wanting him. a guy like elliot/halak or schneider or vokun will be available, no team will want niemi.
doug wilson just has no eye for goaltenders. nitty was a total failure of a pickup and niemi has not been the reliable stud we really needed at times.
Really so scoring is down from 2.71 to 2.65 there is a term in my profession called immaterial. Immaterial basically means who gives a ****. Immaterial is a pretty good description for the decline in Niemi's numbers and the Sharks team defense as a whole.
