Doesn't matter if they make the playoffs or not. The team has never shown the ability to be a winner. The issue for me is
1) the team isn't built from the goalie out.
2) a consistent return to a style of play that lacks urgency. The fact this team has had a weak first period game in and game out speaks to that. Coaches have I'm sure pointed that out. Its the players job to do something about it.
3) The assistant coaches. The PK sucks and that can only be explained by coaching.
4) Perimeter play. We keep going back to puck possession on the perimeter and skate around looking for a clear shot. Someone needs to drive the net at some point and take a hit to make a play.
5) Weaker years from Clowe, Havlatt, Zeus, Boyle and Niemi.
The PK hasn't sucked for a while unless you're talking about how it looks.
And when did you completely give up on holding Marleau accountable?
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So a fair weather fan wants to scapegoat a player. Surprise, surprise. Even if he was being a passenger this season, which is a load of crap, that doesn't excuse everyone else and him alone being a passenger wouldn't turn this team into what it is. It is much more than that but I can't expect a casual fan such as yourself to recognize that.
Oh its you. The biggest Marleau suckup on the forum He can do no wrong, right?
And you know nothing about me so don't call me casual.
Doesn't matter if they make the playoffs or not. The team has never shown the ability to be a winner. The issue for me is
1) the team isn't built from the goalie out.
2) a consistent return to a style of play that lacks urgency. The fact this team has had a weak first period game in and game out speaks to that. Coaches have I'm sure pointed that out. Its the players job to do something about it.
3) The assistant coaches. The PK sucks and that can only be explained by coaching.
4) Perimeter play. We keep going back to puck possession on the perimeter and skate around looking for a clear shot. Someone needs to drive the net at some point and take a hit to make a play.
5) Weaker years from Clowe, Havlatt, Zeus, Boyle and Niemi.
I noted the poor first periods and I am not putting it on the players. It isn't urgency; it is opponent systems. There are a couple of opponent defensive systems that stymie Sharks breakouts. I think it would be a good exercise to look at records vs specific conf. opponents. IMO, it is pretty easy to spot the teams that run systems that absolutely stifle the Sharks. It is up to coaching to recognize it and practice counters that are suited to the personnel on the Sharks. And if the personnel absolutely can't do it, then DW has to acquire personnel who can.
I am getting a little tired of saying it is ultimately all on the players. If they are doing what they are supposed to be doing and what they are doing is not suited to success or if they are asked for an inhuman level of execution (like the PK last year) that is the org and coaching.
I noted the poor first periods and I am not putting it on the players. It isn't urgency; it is opponent systems. There are a couple of opponent defensive systems that stymie Sharks breakouts. I think it would be a good exercise to look at records vs specific conf. opponents. IMO, it is pretty easy to spot the teams that run systems that absolutely stifle the Sharks. It is up to coaching to recognize it and practice counters that are suited to the personnel on the Sharks. And if the personnel absolutely can't do it, then DW has to acquire personnel who can.
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If they can't make up the goal loss they would likely have to rebuild to accomplish this
I noted the poor first periods and I am not putting it on the players. It isn't urgency; it is opponent systems. There are a couple of opponent defensive systems that stymie Sharks breakouts. I think it would be a good exercise to look at records vs specific conf. opponents. IMO, it is pretty easy to spot the teams that run systems that absolutely stifle the Sharks. It is up to coaching to recognize it and practice counters that are suited to the personnel on the Sharks. And if the personnel absolutely can't do it, then DW has to acquire personnel who can.
I am getting a little tired of saying it is ultimately all on the players. If they are doing what they are supposed to be doing and what they are doing is not suited to success or if they are asked for an inhuman level of execution (like the PK last year) that is the org and coaching.
Which teams do you think? I'd say the Blues, Kings and Coyotes. Any others?
You know when Havlat went down DW could have picked up some real scoring help to off set this players loss, this would have been the deadline deal i'd have made as the team has really not been scoring since the first quarter or third of the season. None of the deadline players picked up are really replacements a 20 goal scorer, they were all depth moves -- all i'm saying is DW blew it here.
What would we have been able to get with what our team had at the time? Everyone that was available was being offered at a price that would have stripped us of anything valuable. We could have acquired Nash, Carter, or Ruutu but our team wouldn't be anywhere as good as it is now (I know it's not saying much but it's the truth.) Would you rather have Nash or Couture? Carter or Pavelski? Ruutu or Couture/Pavelski? That's the starting of what we would have been asked to offer up and I doubt anyone would want those guys if the price was any of these two ++.
I noted the poor first periods and I am not putting it on the players. It isn't urgency; it is opponent systems. There are a couple of opponent defensive systems that stymie Sharks breakouts. I think it would be a good exercise to look at records vs specific conf. opponents. IMO, it is pretty easy to spot the teams that run systems that absolutely stifle the Sharks. It is up to coaching to recognize it and practice counters that are suited to the personnel on the Sharks. And if the personnel absolutely can't do it, then DW has to acquire personnel who can.
I am getting a little tired of saying it is ultimately all on the players. If they are doing what they are supposed to be doing and what they are doing is not suited to success or if they are asked for an inhuman level of execution (like the PK last year) that is the org and coaching.
You're agreeing that there are first period problems that are not as evident in the second and third periods and blaming the coaches? Do I have that right?
You're agreeing that there are first period problems that are not as evident in the second and third periods and blaming the coaches? Do I have that right?
Perhaps the initial game plan isn't working. Adjustments are made after the first.
I would say the coaches are a bit stubborn, but I'm not sure they really had any good options.
In my opinion the Sharks just didn't have the manpower to pull off what McLellan wanted to do. Its really hard to make adjustments to the PK for example when your goalie has trouble moving and is a puck pitching machine
Perhaps the initial game plan isn't working. Adjustments are made after the first.
I would say the coaches are a bit stubborn, but I'm not sure they really had any good options.
In my opinion the Sharks just didn't have the manpower to pull off what McLellan wanted to do. Its really hard to make adjustments to the PK for example when your goalie has trouble moving and is a puck pitching machine
So, we play the Yotes, adjust in the second and play better. Then, not but a week later we go back to the same system in the first period and adjust in the second period again? Wash rinse and repeat with any of these teams we have problems with. It makes no sense. And no, I don't believe Koala et al is that ****ing dumb.
So, we play the Yotes, adjust in the second and play better. Then, not but a week later we go back to the same system in the first period and adjust in the second period again. Wash rinse and repeat with any of these teams we have problems with. It makes no sense. And no, I don't believe Koala et al is that ****ing dumb.
What exactly do you expect him to do? What adjustment can he do? Personally I thought the Sharks first period against the Yotes was pretty good. They got some good chances but couldn't bury them.
So, we play the Yotes, adjust in the second and play better. Then, not but a week later we go back to the same system in the first period and adjust in the second period again? Wash rinse and repeat with any of these teams we have problems with. It makes no sense. And no, I don't believe Koala et al is that ****ing dumb.
What exactly do you expect him to do? What adjustment can he do? Personally I thought the Sharks first period against the Yotes was pretty good. They got some good chances but couldn't bury them.
Thats actually a good summary for the whole season
What exactly do you expect him to do? What adjustment can he do? Personally I thought the Sharks first period against the Yotes was pretty good. They got some good chances but couldn't bury them.
I am addressing the perception, which I agree happens way too frequently, of the team not getting off to good starts. Blaming the coaches by saying they make adjustments in the later periods makes no sense. It's not like we don't know these teams systems or what they are going to do. Even against teams we play well against we start off slow far too often.
I am addressing the perception, which I agree happens way too frequently, of the team not getting off to good starts. Blaming the coaches by saying they make adjustments in the later periods makes no sense. It's not like we don't know these teams systems or what they are going to do. Even against teams we play well against we start off slow far too often.
Sharks Come out and do ok, half way through the period the other team adjusts. The sharks tend to NOT readjust after that counter. That is on the coaching staff.
I am addressing the perception, which I agree happens way too frequently, of the team not getting off to good starts. Blaming the coaches by saying they make adjustments in the later periods makes no sense. It's not like we don't know these teams systems or what they are going to do. Even against teams we play well against we start off slow far too often.
The other teams anticipate and adjust too. But again I didn't think the first period against the Yotes was bad.
Sharks Come out and do ok, half way through the period the other team adjusts. The sharks tend to NOT readjust after that counter. That is on the coaching staff.
You may be confusing momentum swings with adjustments
Sharks Come out and do ok, half way through the period the other team adjusts. The sharks tend to NOT readjust after that counter. That is on the coaching staff.
The players know these systems and teams. The players are the ones not adjusting to what they see on the ice or coming out slow because they feel no urgency. As much as your are trying to make it so, this isn't brain surgery.
Oh its you. The biggest Marleau suckup on the forum He can do no wrong, right?
And you know nothing about me so don't call me casual.
He can do plenty of wrong and I've made mention of it plenty of times before. He is not playing as well as he normally does offensively but to call him a passenger is simply wrong.
And your posting history is why I called you casual...and you are.
Neimi
Turnovers
Coach
Turnovers
Poor Special team play
Turnovers/bad passing
Seriously, we'd have Pacific Division locked up tight right now if it wasn't this teams persistence in turnovers. Yes I ranked Neimi at #1 - something I had to do out of spite more than rational but reasonably the thing that seems to cause a number of goals on Neimi/Griess/whoever is in net when Neimi wanders off is started with a bad pass that leads to a turnover.
Sharks won't get past the first round, IF they get into the first round, if they can't resolve at least that.
You're agreeing that there are first period problems that are not as evident in the second and third periods and blaming the coaches? Do I have that right?
Yeah. It is the base system. They tweak it between the first and second and do adjust somewhat. However, the opponents who do it are known. Why start behind the eightball? I also think that the tweaks are not as practiced and therefore don't receive the requisite attention in practice.
GI,
Blues, Yotes (not as good with it), Ducks, Kings (not as good with it), and Nucks. Preds do an equally oppressive variant. You can also look at shot totals versus conf. opponents. The low overall shot totals versus certain opponents should give a pretty good picture. I suspect that there is some copycat going on with opponents as they see what is successful versus the Sharks.
WA,
I agree that GFA has to be fixed. You have focused on forwards. The weakness is blatant when comparing the Sharks to other successful teams; the Sharks lack blueline goal scoring and forward depth. IMO, the blueline scoring is not personnel; it is the system. The forward depth issue is a combo of system, usage and personnel. I don't think the personnel are as bad as made out to be. I think they are playing a system not suited to their talents and that the minute distribution is top heavy. IMO, the minute distribution decrements lower line contributions and top line contributions as it wears out the top guys. TM actually evened the minutes late in the season and got a brief pop in team production. Part of it is coaching tendency to overload top guys in tight games (of which there are a lot in all years). Addressing the overload won't fix the entire issue, but it would help.
He can do no wrong, right?
