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Is Dany Heatley's contract teetering into the 'cap dump' category? $7.5 mil cap hit for the next two seasons but lower payout ($6 mil and $5 mil I believe) and heavily declining numbers the past 2-3 years.
He wouldn't be such a bad contract if he made about 4 mill, or if he made 5 mill and contributed more than just a slapshot. As it stands, yes, he's a cap dump (and a BIG one at that), especially seeing as how he's supposedly a sniper, and gone from 50, to 39, to 39 again, to 26, to (I think) 21 through almost a full year this year. 7.5 is a lot to pay for a slow, soft on the puck, declining, 1-way player who relies on his linemates to do the work for him and feed him the puck.
Nah, Heatley has been mostly great for the Wild. He's played with scrubs due to injuries, or with Setoguchi, who he has zero chemistry with. Don't know why Yeo keeps forcing the Setoguchi-Heatley wing pairing all year when they are healthy.
Is Dany Heatley's contract teetering into the 'cap dump' category? $7.5 mil cap hit for the next two seasons but lower payout ($6 mil and $5 mil I believe) and heavily declining numbers the past 2-3 years.
Perfectly happy with Heatley and his contract on this Wild team.
If he were on another team that's right up to the cap maybe it's a different story. But with the Wild who have no problem absorbing his contract with no reasonable cap issues upcoming (unless they bring in multiple large contracts in which isn't realistic), the matter of his cap hit is a non-issue. He's been one of the few bright spots on this team this season whether his numbers show it or not. He isn't what he once was of course but the Wild could do much worse than having Heatley on roster (i.e. look at the rest of the current roster ).
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Definitely not a cap dump, still a solid player, not as dynamic as he used to be but his defensive game has been good and he consistently generates chances. I would do that Havlat trade 100 times out of 100, Heatley is a far better fit for this team than Havlat's lazy turnovers ever were.
I think a lot of people are going to look at Heatley's stats and think the guy is almost done.
You need to realize that Minnesota has been the worst offensive team in the NHL this season, by a fair margin too.
Who leads the team in points? Heatley
Who leads the team in goals? Heatley
Who leads the team in assists? Well, not Heatley, but he's 1 assist below the leader.
He's also got a better +/- then the vast majority of his teammates.
He wouldn't be such a bad contract if he made about 4 mill, or if he made 5 mill and contributed more than just a slapshot. As it stands, yes, he's a cap dump (and a BIG one at that), especially seeing as how he's supposedly a sniper, and gone from 50, to 39, to 39 again, to 26, to (I think) 21 through almost a full year this year. 7.5 is a lot to pay for a slow, soft on the puck, declining, 1-way player who relies on his linemates to do the work for him and feed him the puck.
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Nah, Heatley has been mostly great for the Wild. He's played with scrubs due to injuries, or with Setoguchi, who he has zero chemistry with. Don't know why Yeo keeps forcing the Setoguchi-Heatley wing pairing all year when they are healthy.
Hmmmm.. I wonder whose answer is based more on fact then opinion ..
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Any way you slice it Dany Heatley is the #1 scorer in both goals and points on the Minnesota Wild. I don't see how you can argue he is relying on his teammates, when he is the offensive catalyst on the team. The Wild are dead last in the NHL for GF and it's not by choice like in the past (defensive system), but rather they are simply devoid of NHL level scoring talent. Heatley may not be the offensive dynamo he was in the past but he is hardly a "cap dump". In reality you can't fault a dude's offensive numbers when hes leading his team in scoring and some of the other players logging regular minutes in the top 9 include Kyle Brodziak, Nick Johnson and Darrel Powe.
Like come on, take your hater-shades off for at least one second.
Hmmmm.. I wonder whose answer is based more on fact then opinion ..
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Any way you slice it Dany Heatley is the #1 scorer in both goals and points on the Minnesota Wild. I don't see how you can argue he is relying on his teammates, when he is the offensive catalyst on the team. The Wild are dead last in the NHL for GF and it's not by choice like in the past (defensive system), but rather they are simply devoid of NHL level scoring talent. Heatley may not be the offensive dynamo he was in the past but he is hardly a "cap dump". In reality you can't fault a dude's offensive numbers when hes leading his team in scoring and some of the other players logging regular minutes in the top 9 include Kyle Brodziak, Nick Johnson and Darrel Powe.
Like come on, take your hater-shades off for at least one second.
Won't happen ... Sens fans hate Heatley almost as much as they hate the Leafs.
Heatley has definitely slipped- he might not even be a 60 pt scorer anymore- but hes not a cap dump or anything. He's probably worth 5-5.5mil but that would be a very good contract for the team. He's alright defensively, and he's put up a mediocre season surrounded by mediocre talent. Heatley has long lost his ability to be a dominant player on his own, at least night in, night out. Put him with talent though and he's a pretty good player.
He's still only outscoring Kyle Brodziak by 0 goals and 5pts, which is pretty terrible, but I think we all know he's better 'n that. I expect he will score 25-35 goals pretty consistently over the rest of his contract. Not a good deal but he still has decent value. I'd give a 2nd and a prospect for him or something.
I think a lot of people are going to look at Heatley's stats and think the guy is almost done.
You need to realize that Minnesota has been the worst offensive team in the NHL this season, by a fair margin too.
Who leads the team in points? Heatley
Who leads the team in goals? Heatley
Who leads the team in assists? Well, not Heatley, but he's 1 assist below the leader.
He's also got a better +/- then the vast majority of his teammates.
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Hmmmm.. I wonder whose answer is based more on fact then opinion ..
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Any way you slice it Dany Heatley is the #1 scorer in both goals and points on the Minnesota Wild. I don't see how you can argue he is relying on his teammates, when he is the offensive catalyst on the team. The Wild are dead last in the NHL for GF and it's not by choice like in the past (defensive system), but rather they are simply devoid of NHL level scoring talent. Heatley may not be the offensive dynamo he was in the past but he is hardly a "cap dump". In reality you can't fault a dude's offensive numbers when hes leading his team in scoring and some of the other players logging regular minutes in the top 9 include Kyle Brodziak, Nick Johnson and Darrel Powe.
Like come on, take your hater-shades off for at least one second.
I'm not a hater. Its a fact that his game (not just his goal scoring, but his game as a whole (but ESPECIALLY his goal scoring) ) is declining, and rapidly so, while his contract and cap hit are not. He IS (supposedly) a sniper, so say what you want about numbers, but goals are the most important stat for such a player, just as save percentage is for a goalie.
You say he is the goals and points leader, and the best offensive player on the league's worst offensive team. While that may be true, what you are saying is akin to saying that a guy is the tallest man in a room filled with little people. i.e. its not saying much. Someone HAS to be the leading scorer on any team. Being the leading scorer on the worst offensive team in a 30-team league isn't something to brag about, especially when that player is making 7.5 million and declining year by year. They may have the cap room to absorb it, but that doesn't make it any better of a contract.
Not all bad contracts are Scott Gomez bad. Is he as much of a bad contract as Gomez is? Absolutely not. Is he overpaid by at least 2.5 million (probably more)? Absolutely.
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Heatley has definitely slipped- he might not even be a 60 pt scorer anymore- but hes not a cap dump or anything. He's probably worth 5-5.5mil but that would be a very good contract for the team. He's alright defensively, and he's put up a mediocre season surrounded by mediocre talent. Heatley has long lost his ability to be a dominant player on his own, at least night in, night out. Put him with talent though and he's a pretty good player.
He's still only outscoring Kyle Brodziak by 0 goals and 5pts, which is pretty terrible, but I think we all know he's better 'n that. I expect he will score 25-35 goals pretty consistently over the rest of his contract. Not a good deal but he still has decent value. I'd give a 2nd and a prospect for him or something.
I hope you're joking. I think most Sens fans would agree that regardless of how good or bad a player he is, and how much of a bad contract he has, we NEVER want to see him in a Sens jersey, ever, ever again.
Apart from being a piece of crap human and being a ***ehead, he has no value on a team without an insane playmaker.. the guy is over weight and garbage....
Incredibly happy with Heatley on this squad. A healthy season with Koivu elevates his points total, guaranteed. This is fact, not speculation. With Granlund, Zucker and possibly Coyle added to this squad with potential FA signings and we are a good to great team. Had this squad stayed healthy and not lead the NHL in man games missed we would be discussing playoffs. It may be a blessing in disguise however because this will allow us a Dumba or Murray in this draft to bolster the defense as well as offense. So yes, we'll take our Heatley and our bright future. Thanks.
Ironically, for the same price,the Wild could have kept Gaborik. I'd take Gaborik over Heatley any day.
i would agree with you on that, too (the "rather" part) but I don't think the Wild could have retained Gabby for that. Nor do i believe the majority of Wild fans would have picked Gabby over Heatley in a lineup. Ottawa fans are not alone in their tendency to be over bitter grudge holders. Fletcher didn't even offer Gaborik a deal, btw.
i would agree with you on that, too (the "rather" part) but I don't think the Wild could have retained Gabby for that. Nor do i believe the majority of Wild fans would have picked Gabby over Heatley in a lineup. Ottawa fans are not alone in their tendency to be over bitter grudge holders. Fletcher didn't even offer Gaborik a deal, btw.
Sens fans are no doubt bitter but I don't think we're overly bitter. The guy quit on the team. I think anyone who quits on their team is generally looked down on by fans. Patrick Roy may be the only exception to the rule that I can think of.
Dany Heatley is overpaid for what he brings to the table these days but still has some value, imo.
Gaborik turned down 10 years 100 mil from everything I heard. Or at least that's what he was asking for. I like Heatley and for where we are we don't need to send our leading scorer away as a cap dump.
sens fans going to hate, thats just how we feel about a player who quit on us after we gave him a second chance.
but on topic, heatley is not a cap dump. as someone previously mentioned, on a team spending to the cap, sure. but not in minny. he provides a veteran presence and can still score (remember that minny is the lowest scoring team in the league and their captain and #1 center has been injured for most of the season).
heatley is a capable and useful player, even playing better defense than his earlier days. he is not a cap dump but he is over paid by about 2-3 million at this point imo.
sens fans going to hate, thats just how we feel about a player who quit on us after we gave him a second chance.
but on topic, heatley is not a cap dump. as someone previously mentioned, on a team spending to the cap, sure. but not in minny. he provides a veteran presence and can still score (remember that minny is the lowest scoring team in the league and their captain and #1 center has been injured for most of the season).
heatley is a capable and useful player, even playing better defense then his earlier days. he is not a cap dump but he is over paid by about 2-3 million at this point imo.
even on a team close to the cap, 7.5 isnt bad for a first line player.
Gomez, for example, is a cap dump, being a 3rd/4th line player making 7M. Heatley is paid fairly for his role.
I think anyone who quits on their team is generally looked down on by fans.
Zidlicky is pretty much well liked in NJ from what I understand and he quit on our team this year.
Gaborik quit on the Wild in many different ways. He was a bit temperamental here. Most forget he held out after 02-03. But his hip injuries were...annoying to say the least.
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