If my calculations are correct, a loss tomorrow means that the best we can finish is 4th last, therefore guaranteeing us a top 5 pick and one of Yakupov, Grigs, Murray, Dumba, Galchenyuk
Who would CBJ pick at #2 if a lottery team wins the lottery? What would that leave us?
I assume whoever picks #1 will pick the clear BPA... Yakupov... so Columbus would then likely pick Grigorenko or Murray. If Oilers then picked 3rd... they'd probably choose who is left between those two... Murray/Grigorenko.
If my calculations are correct, a loss tomorrow means that the best we can finish is 4th last, therefore guaranteeing us a top 5 pick and one of Yakupov, Grigs, Murray, Dumba, Galchenyuk
Ya... theoretically I don't think there's a bad choice in there. You could have all of them become stars in the NHL... although the more likely scenario is that at least one will bust... hopefully the Oilers can avoid choosing that one.
1995 Los Angeles Moved from 7th to 3rd D Aki Berg
1996 Ottawa Retained 1st selection D Chris Phillips
1997 Boston Retained 1st selection C Joe Thornton
1998 Tampa Bay Moved from 3rd to 1st via trades C Vincent Lecavalier
1999 Chicago Moved from 8th to 4th RW Pavel Brendl *
2000 NY Islanders Moved from 5th to 1st G Rick DiPietro
2001 Atlanta Moved from 3rd to 1st LW Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 Florida Moved from 3rd to 1st LW Rick Nash **
2003 Florida Moved from 4th to 1st G Marc-Andre Fleury ***
2004 Washington Moved from 3rd to 1st LW Alex Ovechkin
2005 Pittsburgh n/a C Sidney Crosby
2006 St. Louis Retained 1st selection D Erik Johnson
2007 Chicago Moved from 5th to 1st RW Patrick Kane
2008 Tampa Bay Retained 1st selection C Steven Stamkos
2009 NY Islanders Retained 1st selection C John Tavares
2010 Edmonton Retained 1st selection LW Taylor Hall
Would be one hell of a top six as we'd be able to effectively seperate our 4 best offensive talents onto two lines and really cause match-up headaches for the first time since the 1980s.
Get that Justin Schultz thing sewn up Tambo, then move Gagner for another young d-man like Ellis or Rundblad or Schenn.
Now you should be set up front and on the back end instead of our slow motion rebuild where we add like one good piece every year and that's it.
I agree, if we can fill up our top six with Hall, RNH, Eberle, Hemsky, Grigorenko and Hartkianen, we should be able to package left over guys like Gagner for a solid d-man, or just sign a top 4 d-man and go with what we have.
has anybody seen enough of Grigorenko / Galchenyuk to provide a straight up comparison of strengths and weaknesses, etc. I like the idea of a bigger centerman being drafted but at the same time if the oilers fall to 4-5 and that center isn't there that's not entirely a bad thing either as it will force them to take what looks to be one of a few pretty decent dmen. Thanks in advance.
I'm always against the idea of trading down unless the player you want is going to be there anyway. If the Oilers are truly sold on Grigor or Murray they should just draft him, not trade down in hopes of getting a consolation prize like Galchenyuk or Reinhart + Schenn.
If Toronto ended up with the 5th pick overall and we had the 2nd pick, I would probably consider a deal centering around our pick + Peckham for their pick + Schenn.
Drafting 5th would mean we could still get one of Galchenyuk, Murray, Dumba, or Forsberg and adding Schenn would give us another decent 2nd pairing shutdown guy to go along with Smid and Schultz.
If Toronto ended up with the 5th pick overall and we had the 2nd pick, I would probably consider a deal centering around our pick + Peckham for their pick + Schenn.
Drafting 5th would mean we could still get one of Galchenyuk, Murray, Dumba, or Forsberg and adding Schenn would give us another decent 2nd pairing shutdown guy to go along with Smid and Schultz.
I've been touting a Schenn for Gagner deal for some time now. I think it's a good deal for both teams. Keep the 2nd/3rd overall pick.
I've been touting a Schenn for Gagner deal for some time now. I think it's a good deal for both teams. Keep the 2nd/3rd overall pick.
For me, I am not that high on Schenn. The reasons being that he does not have good hockey sense and intelligence, as well as not having an offensive game.
He got good physical tool in terms of skating & hitting, but with lack of hockey sense and intelligence to work on reading the game better, those tools have not been put into good use.
Having said that, by the time he's 26/27 years old, he may be mentally mature enough to be a good d man or even break out as a great shut down d, but i don't see him being very useful in the next 3 years, at least not for a playoff team.
Gagner on the other hand, with all his deficiencies, is more mature, work harder, has much better hockey sense and has been consistent in his points production. Schenn right now is a very risky gamble.
IMO, value wise, we need more than Schenn coming our way if we move Gagner to Toronto.
I agree with the Schenn objective, I feel we have dmen that will be just as good as he will be. Smid and Shultz are a better version of him. The only dman I would want is Gardiner.
For me, I am not that high on Schenn. The reasons being that he does not have good hockey sense and intelligence, as well as not having an offensive game.
He got good physical tool in terms of skating & hitting, but with lack of hockey sense and intelligence to work on reading the game better, those tools have not been put into good use.
Having said that, by the time he's 26/27 years old, he may be mentally mature enough to be a good d man or even break out as a great shut down d, but i don't see him being very useful in the next 3 years, at least not for a playoff team.
Gagner on the other hand, with all his deficiencies, is more mature, work harder, has much better hockey sense and has been consistent in his points production. Schenn right now is a very risky gamble.
IMO, value wise, we need more than Schenn coming our way if we move Gagner to Toronto.
Maybe. I try not to watch the Leafs, so I don't see a lot of Schenn. He sounds a little like the Smid of a few years ago that many here (including myself a few times) was willing to write off as a 3rd pairing Dman. A change of scenery could do a world of good for Schenn, as well maybe coming back home (this team might as well load up on Sask guys). Maybe the Leafs add in a draft pick to even things out.
I agree with the Schenn objective, I feel we have dmen that will be just as good as he will be. Smid and Shultz are a better version of him. The only dman I would want is Gardiner.
Not sure what it would take to get Gardiner but probably more than we want to pay.
Depending on the cost, I wonder if the Oilers will consider trading up to land Yakupov. It would be a bit of an unconventional move, given what most perceive EDM's needs to be, but it depends on their list, where they end up, CLB's thoughts on drafting a Russian, etc.
I think it would give EDM 2 pretty good looking F lines of young players, and while I agree that the current D could use some work, that doesn't necessarily mean the draft is the best way to address it. IMO.
To anyone who advocates trading down, please recall 2003.
17th for 22nd and 68? Great deal.
Edmonton went on to draft Marc "Rocked by Dion Phaneuf" Pouliot, and Jean-Francois "Yep, Quinn says I'm a first liner" Jacques. The braintrust felt that the next group of players were roughly equivalent. They missed on Fehr, Getzlaf, Burns, and Mark Stuart, and the only reason they didn't take Robert Nilsson, was that he was drafted by the Isles 15th.
If it were me, my list would be
1. Yakupov
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2. Grigorenko
3. Galchenyuk
4. Murray
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5. Forsberg
6. Dumba
7. Reinhart
8. Rielly
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9. Faksa
10. Trouba
If Edmonton won the lottery, I'd take Yakupov. Otherwise, Grigoenko, Galchenyuk, or Murray. Personally, I don't believe in drafting for need - I'd take a forward, if they appear to be the best player available.
Any fear that Edmonton trades down, and the return is "2003"-like?
To anyone who advocates trading down, please recall 2003.
17th for 22nd and 68? Great deal.
Edmonton went on to draft Marc "Rocked by Dion Phaneuf" Pouliot, and Jean-Francois "Yep, Quinn says I'm a first liner" Jacques. The braintrust felt that the next group of players were roughly equivalent. They missed on Fehr, Getzlaf, Burns, and Mark Stuart, and the only reason they didn't take Robert Nilsson, was that he was drafted by the Isles 15th.
If it were me, my list would be
1. Yakupov
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2. Grigorenko
3. Galchenyuk
4. Murray
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5. Forsberg
6. Dumba
7. Reinhart
8. Rielly
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9. Faksa
10. Trouba
If Edmonton won the lottery, I'd take Yakupov. Otherwise, Grigoenko, Galchenyuk, or Murray. Personally, I don't believe in drafting for need - I'd take a forward, if they appear to be the best player available.
Any fear that Edmonton trades down, and the return is "2003"-like?
Yes. And if you look at some of the other teams that have traded down from the top spot(s), things pretty much blew up in their faces too.
Any fear that Edmonton trades down, and the return is "2003"-like?
Depends on the return. If your moving the 2nd overall pick you should be getting back an established player with a slew of picks or another top 10 pick.
You aren't going to trade a 2nd overall for a "19th and 34th" (as an example), so I'm not that concerned.
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