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If Toronto wants the first overall they will have to give something back a young established player and their pick +++. Currently they don't have that on their roster, don't say Schenn because he's had a terrible season.
Last time Burke traded for the first overall pick, in a weak 1999 draft, it cost him:
- 24 yr old defenseman Bryan McCabe with five years NHL service under his belt.
- 1999 1st round pick 4th overall.
- 2000 1st round pick 11th overall.
- 1999 two 3rd round picks.
First off, I HATE the Leafs. I HATE their management. I HATE their annoying fanbase.
That said, the offer from the OP is more than fair for Yakupov, and if Howson fails to accept it, it would explain why that franchise is perennially a cellar dweller. Kadri WILL be a 25-30 goal scorer providing a little bit of grit. Franson IS a servicable 5-6 d-man with some upside. 5 overall WILL give you a 2-3 d-man or a 1-2 center. I like that offer.
I'm not saying it is the best offer he gets, but if it is, I take it.
First off, I HATE the Leafs. I HATE their management. I HATE their annoying fanbase.
That said, the offer from the OP is more than fair for Yakupov, and if Howson fails to accept it, it would explain why that franchise is perennially a cellar dweller. Kadri WILL be a 25-30 goal scorer providing a little bit of grit. Franson IS a servicable 5-6 d-man with some upside. 5 overall WILL give you a 2-3 d-man or a 1-2 center. I like that offer.
I'm not saying it is the best offer he gets, but if it is, I take it.
If I give you your assessment of the players which I disagree with, did you even bother to find out Columbus's needs?
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Originally Posted by Shrimper
The op's proposal is ludicrous. For Columbus to give up their 1st you're looking at Kessel or Grabovski. It's a 1st, not a 6th.
Columbus doesn't need Kessel or Grabovski. They need top pairing defense and a #1 goaltender. I don't see those..
If I give you your assessment of the players which I disagree with, did you even bother to find out Columbus's needs?
Columbus doesn't need Kessel or Grabovski. They need top pairing defense and a #1 goaltender. I don't see those..
Hmmm.. Columbus has the worst record in the league by far. They need goaltending. They need defence. They need forwards, especially if they're committed to trading Nash. So they need pretty much everything. 28th in GF, 29th in GA. Am I missing something?
Kadri has done zilch and FRanson is a third pairing defenseman on a good team. You want to offer that plus the 5th overall for the 1st pick?
You cant be serious with this proposal?
First off, I HATE the Leafs. I HATE their management. I HATE their annoying fanbase.
That said, the offer from the OP is more than fair for Yakupov, and if Howson fails to accept it, it would explain why that franchise is perennially a cellar dweller. Kadri WILL be a 25-30 goal scorer providing a little bit of grit. Franson IS a servicable 5-6 d-man with some upside. 5 overall WILL give you a 2-3 d-man or a 1-2 center. I like that offer.
I'm not saying it is the best offer he gets, but if it is, I take it.
IMO, this is flawed logic. Yakupov could be a bust or he could be the next Ovechkin. Columbus can get more in a trade for the number 1 overall pick. As I said before Kadri has done zilch. If a former high pick like Kadri is so good then why is he always available and why cant he stay with the Leafs? Leafs fans think Luke Schenn is great because he has a brother with talent and was a high pick. I have watched him play plenty and I always find him making boneheaded plays. Toronto overates their talent and prospects like no other. They are always looking for a steal. We could all use the number 1 pick and that is what the LEafs should be gunning for. Tank Baby Tank!
They need a true rebuild. I can't stand all the ridiculous proposals I here from Leafs fans on this bo
The op's proposal is ludicrous. For Columbus to give up their 1st you're looking at Kessel or Grabovski. It's a 1st, not a 6th.
The Penguins did not have to give up a Kessel (James Neal of similar ilk) in 2003 when they traded up for MAF. They gave up a second round pick (55th overall) and Mikael Samuelsson to move two spots up to Florida for first overall.
Remember the Blue Jackets would still be selecting top five, plus getting a top prospect and a young NHL defenseman to move down four spots. That does not seem ludicrous at all.
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Originally Posted by Brooklanders
IMO, this is flawed logic. Yakupov could be a bust or he could be the next Ovechkin. Columbus can get more in a trade for the number 1 overall pick. As I said before Kadri has done zilch. If a former high pick like Kadri is so good then why is he always available and why cant he stay with the Leafs?
Read post 25 where Kadri is producing similar numbers in the AHL just as Bobby Ryan did. Kadri is still young and he will make an NHL impact in the very near future. The reason Leafs fans put him in proposals is simply he is one of the Leafs top prospects and you have to give to get. Kadri is not seen as a marginal prospect or bust. Kadri will be in the NHL sooner than most people realize and will start producing.
Hmmm.. Columbus has the worst record in the league by far. They need goaltending. They need defence. They need forwards, especially if they're committed to trading Nash. So they need pretty much everything. 28th in GF, 29th in GA. Am I missing something?
Yes. Show me a great team, I'll show you defense, goaltending then finally strength up the middle. Columbus has Johansen, Brassard, Jenner, Letestu and more up the middle. Columbus has plenty of wings throughout the system, and unless someone meets Columbus's price of four major pieces, they have Nash as well. Columbus has only two goalies with NHL contracts after this season, and one of them is Steve Mason. They are so thin and injured in net, they had to give a contract to a college player just to have a backup for the rest of the season. Columbus has plenty of prospect defensemen, but not top pairing guys.
Yakupov is potentially a franchise player. Unless an offer immediately solves the problems in net AND in the top pairing, Columbus shouldn't trade the pick unless there is a deal like the one I listed above: Gardiner, plus TOR 2012 1st, 2012 2nd, 2012 4th, 2013 1st.
The Penguins did not have to give up a Kessel (James Neal of similar ilk) in 2003 when they traded up for MAF. They gave up a second round pick (55th overall) and Mikael Samuelsson to move two spots up to Florida for first overall.
Remember the Blue Jackets would still be selecting top five, plus getting a top prospect and a young NHL defenseman to move down four spots. That does not seem ludicrous at all.
Read post 25 where Kadri is producing similar numbers in the AHL just as Bobby Ryan did. Kadri is still young and he will make an NHL impact in the very near future. The reason Leafs fans put him in proposals is simply he is one of the Leafs top prospects and you have to give to get. Kadri is not seen as a marginal prospect or bust. Kadri will be in the NHL sooner than most people realize and will start producing.
You call Kadri a top prospect, I call him Alex Giroux II
You call Kadri a top prospect, I call him Alex Giroux II
It's not my opinion on Kadri, it is the general consensus on Hockey's Future rating Kadri as the Leafs top prospect giving him a grade thus far of 8.0C
Like it or not, Kadri will be in the NHL soon and will be putting up some decent numbers. He may not become a bonafide all-star but the potential is there. Kadri has proven himself in the AHL like Ryan has, and he will be given the opportunity to prove himself in the NHL full time.
Read post 25 where Kadri is producing similar numbers in the AHL just as Bobby Ryan did. Kadri is still young and he will make an NHL impact in the very near future. The reason Leafs fans put him in proposals is simply he is one of the Leafs top prospects and you have to give to get. Kadri is not seen as a marginal prospect or bust. Kadri will be in the NHL sooner than most people realize and will start producing.
Bobby Ryan played 14 games with Iowa, then was in the NHL for good.
You can't be serious? While the original offer was a lowball, this is ridiculous. Leafs pick is looking like it will be anywhere from 1-4 spots below. To move up you want our best defenceman, who happens to be 21, our 2nd, AND our 1st in a much stronger draft next year???
A big giant pass from me. I'd rather do the proposed 1st+kadri+gardiner for nash trade.... and that's saying a lot.
Ryan played 14 games thereafter and then went on to play for the Ducks.
Iowa lasted one single season, so either he played 14 games in that season or he didn't. You re-emphasizing what I should or shouldn't read doesn't make your numbers right, as the AHL's official numbers bear out.
Regardless, there are few things more worthless than comparing AHL scoring to NHL success. In any given year, there's a good number of young AHL players who put up numbers and yet either aren't NHL prospects or, if they are, don't make it in the NHL. I remember every year, when Justin Papineau would score in the preseason and get sent down, and he would score in bunches in the AHL. There's a few of those in every season.
Perhaps you would be interested in trading away Toronto's 1st?
Here's an offer
To Columbus:
Toronto's 1st 2012
To Toronto:
Boll, Calvert, Weber, 3rd 2012
That's pretty assinine bro. He did try to make a real offer. Toronto giving up their 5th overall pick, plus their best prospect, plus a PP specialist..at least it was a real attempt.
That said I don't know why Columbus would want to trade Yakupov, honestly sounds like they'd rather trade all the way down to 11th and select Gaunce.
The Penguins did not have to give up a Kessel (James Neal of similar ilk) in 2003 when they traded up for MAF. They gave up a second round pick (55th overall) and Mikael Samuelsson to move two spots up to Florida for first overall.
Remember the Blue Jackets would still be selecting top five, plus getting a top prospect and a young NHL defenseman to move down four spots. That does not seem ludicrous at all.
Read post 25 where Kadri is producing similar numbers in the AHL just as Bobby Ryan did. Kadri is still young and he will make an NHL impact in the very near future. The reason Leafs fans put him in proposals is simply he is one of the Leafs top prospects and you have to give to get. Kadri is not seen as a marginal prospect or bust. Kadri will be in the NHL sooner than most people realize and will start producing.
Who give a **** what Kadri is producing in the AHL. Many players have done good in the AHL only to fall flat on their face in the NHL.
Trying to compare Kadri to Ryan on what each did in the AHL is just plainly stupid.
Your just grasping at straws to make your player look better.
Than you use 1 friggin trade that happened 9 yrs ago to Try to make the OP's offer sound reasonable.What a joke of a post.
That's pretty assinine bro. He did try to make a real offer. Toronto giving up their 5th overall pick, plus their best prospect, plus a PP specialist..at least it was a real attempt.
That said I don't know why Columbus would want to trade Yakupov, honestly sounds like they'd rather trade all the way down to 11th and select Gaunce.
The 5th is what it is. Just because Kadri's their best prospect it doesn't change his value to other teams.His value has plummented from that 7th overall pick spot he was drafted at.
A PP specialist,if your talking about Franson please stop.
He 7 PP this season. This was a terrible proposal to start with.
Kadri is so overrated by Leafs fans, but for some reason, they include him in every trade proposal. Look Kadri may or may not end up being a good NHLer, it's way too early to tell. But, you can't use Bobby Ryan's numbers to prove that Kadri will do the same thing. I can show you multiple examples of players who put up really good numbers in the AHL, and never made it in the NHL. 2 totally different leagues, just like Ryan and Kadri are 2 totally different players. I'm not writing Kadri off yet, he's still young, but right now he's just prospect, and I'd say if his value has dropped some from his draft. If the Leafs were offered the 7th overall pick for Kadri this year, I say that they'd take it and run.
