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Two bad teams who could use help at all positions rarely make good trading partners.
They're both young teams, who both need to add experience as well as a goaltender.
Two bad teams who could use help at all positions rarely make good trading partners.
They're both young teams, who both need to add experience as well as a goaltender.
CLB and TOR will not swap picks.
Agreed but I could see a situation where the Toronto 1st ends up in Columbus as part of a Nash deal....
Surely you are not suggesting that Kadri is as good as Ryan???
What i think he 's suggesting is the Kadri will be as good as Ryan or at least thats what the post seems to be saying by comparing AHL stats between the two.
...I'm not sure why the goaltending issue keeps coming up in CBJ trade discussions. It exists, but we can far more profitably address that in free agency, since trade values of goaltenders are all over the damn place.
That said, there's absolutely no way I'd go for the OP. I grant that there was a time that I wanted Cody Franson in union blue, but that was before we added Jack Johnson, James Wisniewski, and Nikita Nikitin. And I'm kind of cynical about Kadri.
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Surely you are not suggesting that Kadri is as good as Ryan???
I am not suggesting that Kadri is as good as Ryan. I am merely showing that Kadri is not a bust as some people believe he is based on only one season in the AHL. Kadri is simply Toronto's top prospect, nothing more nothing less.
To dismiss this fact shows ignorance on the part of some posters. Kadri would be a good prospect to have in any team's system at the moment and he is not just a throw away player in a deal.
As was stated before, it would be best if Columbus kept the first overall pick to move their franchise forward. However, if they decide to trade the pick due to some odd thought of not drafting another Russian player, or whatever direction they decide to take, than a trade can be had with some teams willing to make a deal.
I am not suggesting that Kadri is as good as Ryan. I am merely showing that Kadri is not a bust as some people believe he is based on only one season in the AHL. Kadri is simply Toronto's top prospect, nothing more nothing less.
To dismiss this fact shows ignorance on the part of some posters. Kadri would be a good prospect to have in any team's system at the moment and he is not just a throw away player in a deal.
I think that's an entirely fair assessment. However, I don't think it qualifies him as being good enough for us to contemplate trading down from #1 overall.
As previously stated elsewhere, I might consider it if trading down from #2 overall, but that doesn't appear to be of interest here for some reason. (Probably the same sorts of irrational ideas that make me willing to consider it. )
I think that's an entirely fair assessment. However, I don't think it qualifies him as being good enough for us to contemplate trading down from #1 overall.
As previously stated elsewhere, I might consider it if trading down from #2 overall, but that doesn't appear to be of interest here for some reason. (Probably the same sorts of irrational ideas that make me willing to consider it. )
Agreed, kadri alone would not have Columbus move down multiple spots, he could be considered in a much broader package. It would be best for Columbus to just draft Yakupov and move forward, but we will see what happens.
I am not suggesting that Kadri is as good as Ryan. I am merely showing that Kadri is not a bust as some people believe he is based on only one season in the AHL. Kadri is simply Toronto's top prospect, nothing more nothing less.
To dismiss this fact shows ignorance on the part of some posters. Kadri would be a good prospect to have in any team's system at the moment and he is not just a throw away player in a deal.
As was stated before, it would be best if Columbus kept the first overall pick to move their franchise forward. However, if they decide to trade the pick due to some odd thought of not drafting another Russian player, or whatever direction they decide to take, than a trade can be had with some teams willing to make a deal.
Really? you quote stats comparing Ryan and Kadri and then claim you arent comparing them when they arent comparable players anyway to prove that Kadri isnt a bust? Kadri is a B prospect now with high bust potential
Really? you quote stats comparing Ryan and Kadri and then claim you arent comparing them when they arent comparable players anyway to prove that Kadri isnt a bust? Kadri is a B prospect now with high bust potential
The offer included moving four spots back, to fifth overall and including one of the Leafs top prospects, along with a young NHL defenseman. The offer was not lopsided for it to be "garbage" as you claim.
So I suppose Pittsburgh's offer to the Florida Panthers back in 2003 was garbage too? This in one of the deepest drafts in the last 10 years? Yes the first overall pick was traded and it does happen, as illustrated in 2003 on one of the best draft years to boot.
2003 NHL Entry Draft:
Florida Panthers:
3rd Overall (Nathan Horton), 55th overall (Stefan Meyer) and Mikael Samuelsson.
Florida wanted to move back and was given 3rd overall, a second round pick, and Mikael Samuelsson to move down 2 spots. Based on historic facts on a similar trade, if Columbus really did not want to draft another Russian, then it is possible to trade down and getting one of the teams top prospect, along with a young NHL defenseman seems plausible.
The Blue Jackets can still select a top five player while gaining assets is good management. First overall does not always equate to franchise player, sometimes it’s just an all-star player nothing more.
Another example, the previous year Florida did this, which was brutal:
No. 1 (Florida to Columbus): Florida trades this pick to Columbus for first-round pick (No. 3 overall, Jay Bouwmeester) and option to switch first-round picks in 2003 on June 22, 2002.
No. 2 (Atlanta/Florida): Florida trades third-round pick (No. 82 overall, later traded) and 2003 fourth-round pick to Atlanta for Thrashers' promise not to draft Jay Bouwmeester at No. 2 overall on June 22, 2002.
No. 3 (Columbus to Florida): Columbus trades this pick and option to switch first-round picks in 2003 to Florida for first-round pick (No. 1 overall, Rick Nash) on June 22, 2002.
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Florida basically said that if they picked #1 they were taking Bouwmeester anyway, so they swung a couple of deals to still get him at #3, but essentially the trade was.
1st overall
3rd rounder
4th rounder
for
3rd overall
The option to switch wasn't used because Florida won the lottery in 2003
first overall are very valuable, and hard to come by. You are getting a future franchise player with the 1st overall pick. I highly dough Columbus wil be trading the 1st over all.
