I am by no means a Luongo-basher, but I went with Schneider. He's younger, will be cheaper, and he hopefully won't have an albatross of a contract like Lu does.
That being said, if Luongo does leave I wish him nothing but success.
Other than the fans and media, who has treated him "dodgy"? AV and Gillis have always maintained that Luongo is "the guy"...they just have enough faith in Schneider that they can give Luongo a smarter work load.
Yep. Pretty much this. That's why i'm surprised in the poll results. I've heard nothing from Gillis that makes me believe trading Luongo is something he's considering.
Other than the fans and media, who has treated him "dodgy"? AV and Gillis have always maintained that Luongo is "the guy"...they just have enough faith in Schneider that they can give Luongo a smarter work load.
It started with the way Vigneault went about not starting him in Game Six in Chicago. He didn't handle it very well and was lucky Luongo is a pro and didn't complain about it. The same goes for not giving Luongo some key starts this year that he obviously wanted. Going back further, they pressured him into giving up the C by not standing behind him.
Don't let the "faith in Schneider" talking point cloud what they've really been doing. They've been prepping Schneider to possibly take over. Luongo's not a dumb guy, he obviously sees what's going on. It will be proven in the playoffs too when at the first glimpse of weakness, Luongo gets replaced.
I hold Schneider as high as Lou, but Lou will stay due to contracts (both Lou's and Schneider's). I hope Schneider gives the team something valuable in return and that Läck works out in the NHL.
Yes Scheids is going to get more per year than Luongo or many of the elite goaltenders ...
The only way he is going to get something like that is if he wins the Conn smythe this year ... by a wide margin.
And I think we should change goaltenders after every loss in the playoffs ...
If he performs like an elite goalie he's going to get paid like one. It's really as simple as that. It won't happen next year because he's not proven as a starter yet, but he's also not going to sign away his prime years for relative pocket change. He's going to turn 27 next season so he's going to want to cash in at some point.
If I had to make a prediction, I'd say wherever he plays he'll sign a shorter term deal for $3.5-4 million or so and then look for a payday in his late 20s. My guess is it'll play out like Rinne's career path and in a few years if he keeps up his play he'll be making $6.5+ million.
Yep. Pretty much this. That's why i'm surprised in the poll results. I've heard nothing from Gillis that makes me believe trading Luongo is something he's considering.
I think Gillis would keep his cards pretty tight to his chest on a matter like this...it creates waves that will send the media into a frenzy and do nothing to help team cohesiveness. I think this playoffs will be the ultimate test for Luongo. I don't think he has to stand on his head, but he can't be a goat...if he's a goat, they really have a dilemma on their hands.
It started with the way Vigneault went about not starting him in Game Six in Chicago. He didn't handle it very well and was lucky Luongo is a pro and didn't complain about it. The same goes for not giving Luongo some key starts this year that he obviously wanted. Going back further, they pressured him into giving up the C by not standing behind him.
Don't let the "faith in Schneider" talking point cloud what they've really been doing. They've been prepping Schneider to possibly take over. Luongo's not a dumb guy, he obviously sees what's going on. It will be proven in the playoffs too when at the first glimpse of weakness, Luongo gets replaced.
I disagree. The team has an extremely valuable asset in Schneider, they aren't just going to let him rot on the vine because they have some obligation to Luongo to give him everything he wants here. They have to think about the long and short term and it's not treating Luongo good or bad or dodgy, it's just not putting him on a pedestal.
It started with the way Vigneault went about not starting him in Game Six in Chicago. He didn't handle it very well and was lucky Luongo is a pro and didn't complain about it. The same goes for not giving Luongo some key starts this year that he obviously wanted. Going back further, they pressured him into giving up the C by not standing behind him.
Don't let the "faith in Schneider" talking point cloud what they've really been doing. They've been prepping Schneider to possibly take over. Luongo's not a dumb guy, he obviously sees what's going on. It will be proven in the playoffs too when at the first glimpse of weakness, Luongo gets replaced.
Tony gallagher is that you?
If there was this supposed rift, and they were prepping to go with Schneider, why would they leave Luongo in for 8 in game 3 at boston (you cant think this was a ploy to get rid of him, it was pure loyalty to their guy - dumb loyalty though).
They didn't go to Schneids for any other starts in the finals?
I think your tinfoil hat needs another layer or foil.
If there was this supposed rift, and they were prepping to go with Schneider, why would they leave Luongo in for 8 in game 3 at boston (you cant think this was a ploy to get rid of him, it was pure loyalty to their guy - dumb loyalty though).
They didn't go to Schneids for any other starts in the finals?
I think your tinfoil hat needs another layer or foil.
I didn't say there was a rift. I was responding to the idea that there was no way that they'd consider moving Luongo because he's their guy.
It started with the way Vigneault went about not starting him in Game Six in Chicago. He didn't handle it very well and was lucky Luongo is a pro and didn't complain about it. The same goes for not giving Luongo some key starts this year that he obviously wanted. Going back further, they pressured him into giving up the C by not standing behind him.
Don't let the "faith in Schneider" talking point cloud what they've really been doing. They've been prepping Schneider to possibly take over. Luongo's not a dumb guy, he obviously sees what's going on. It will be proven in the playoffs too when at the first glimpse of weakness, Luongo gets replaced.
You're reading way too much into all of this. He didn't start Luongo in game 6 against Chicago because Luongo sucked in Chicago not just that year but the year before. If they were set from that point on to keep Schneider, why didn't Schneider play at all against Boston when the same thing happened? Same scenario, but this time they played Luongo.
Also how do you know what starts Luongo *obviously* wanted? Are you friends with Luongo? And what starts are you even talking about? Chicago? Well they've both started 2 against Chicago and surprisingly Luongo has done better. I guess you could argue they didn't play him against Boston, or did they just give Schneider the game where he's from?
You're reading way too much into all of this. He didn't start Luongo in game 6 against Chicago because Luongo sucked in Chicago not just that year but the year before. If they were set from that point on to keep Schneider, why didn't Schneider play at all against Boston when the same thing happened? Same scenario, but this time they played Luongo.
They weren't the same scenarios at all. Luongo had put together a longer string of games at that point and was being talked about as a Conn Smythe candidate going into Game 3 in Boston. At that point, there was no changing course. Besides, it's not like the Schneider experiment in Round 1 got us a win in that game.
They weren't the same scenarios at all. Luongo had put together a longer string of games at that point and was being talked about as a Conn Smythe candidate going into Game 3 in Boston. At that point, there was no changing course. Besides, it's not like the Schneider experiment in Round 1 got us a win in that game.
It was pretty much the same scenario. 8-1 followed by a 4-0 loss. Chicago was 7-2 followed by 5-0.
So true. It's such a double edged sword, and our fans sometimes forget that the most games Schneider has started in a row is 7. He has never had a workload like Luongo. For all the chinks in the Luongos game, there are many things you just know about him. He is consistent, especially in the regular season, you know he can handle starting 10-15-20-25 games in a row and play at a high level, if needed.
At this point, for lack of a better term "it's the devil you know, vs the devil you THINK you know"
It all really just depends on how comfortable you are with Luongo in net. If he makes you really uneasy and you think he's a bit of a question-mark in the playoffs sometimes, you're going to want to give Schneider the shot, if you're totally happy with Luongo in the playoffs and you think the defense is mostly to blame, as anyone would have been lit up in those poor games he had playing behind those breakdowns, then you'd want to keep Luongo.
I just hope MG isn't stuck on the idea that keeping Luongo is a no brainer and shouldn't even be questioned.
It all really just depends on how comfortable you are with Luongo in net. If he makes you really uneasy and you think he's a bit of a question-mark in the playoffs sometimes, you're going to want to give Schneider the shot, if you're totally happy with Luongo in the playoffs and you think the defense is mostly to blame, as anyone would have been lit up in those poor games he had playing behind those breakdowns, then you'd want to keep Luongo.
I just hope MG isn't stuck on the idea that keeping Luongo is a no brainer and shouldn't even be questioned.
If he was, he probably would have already moved Schneider to improve the rest of the team.
You're reading way too much into all of this. He didn't start Luongo in game 6 against Chicago because Luongo sucked in Chicago not just that year but the year before. If they were set from that point on to keep Schneider, why didn't Schneider play at all against Boston when the same thing happened? Same scenario, but this time they played Luongo.
Also how do you know what starts Luongo *obviously* wanted? Are you friends with Luongo? And what starts are you even talking about? Chicago? Well they've both started 2 against Chicago and surprisingly Luongo has done better. I guess you could argue they didn't play him against Boston, or did they just give Schneider the game where he's from?
But believe what you want.
Luongo had a .950 sv% in the 3 games in Chicago in the 2010 playoffs. It was in Vancouver where he had his troubles.
Speaking more in general, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Canucks moved Luongo. Why wouldn't they if they thought they could get the same or better goaltending but in a player 7 years younger? Obviously the two goalies' relative trade value would sway things a bit, but I don't see him being moved as being all that unlikely regardless of what happens in the playoffs. IMO the biggest impediment will be actually moving his contract and not Gillis' willingness to move him.
Luongo had a .950 sv% in the 3 games in Chicago in the 2010 playoffs. It was in Vancouver where he had his troubles.
Speaking more in general, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Canucks moved Luongo. Why wouldn't they if they thought they could get the same or better goaltending but in a player 7 years younger? Obviously the two goalies' relative trade value would sway things a bit, but I don't see him being moved as being all that unlikely regardless of what happens in the playoffs. IMO the biggest impediment will be actually moving his contract and not Gillis' willingness to move him.
Moving his contract will not be a problem, imo. He's still a top-10 goalie, and there are a number of teams who are far more worried about just making the playoffs thann making a deep run in it. Luongo can help these teams, provided he's willing to go there.
If he performs like an elite goalie he's going to get paid like one. It's really as simple as that. It won't happen next year because he's not proven as a starter yet, but he's also not going to sign away his prime years for relative pocket change. He's going to turn 27 next season so he's going to want to cash in at some point.
If I had to make a prediction, I'd say wherever he plays he'll sign a shorter term deal for $3.5-4 million or so and then look for a payday in his late 20s. My guess is it'll play out like Rinne's career path and in a few years if he keeps up his play he'll be making $6.5+ million.
Yeah. I think he'll sign a 2 year 7.5/8.0 million dollar deal and then cash in after that.
You're reading way too much into all of this. He didn't start Luongo in game 6 against Chicago because Luongo sucked in Chicago not just that year but the year before.
You really have the knives out for Lou. That's now how I remember it going down at all...
Consider their abilities being equal, I'd pick younger and cheaper Schneider. Even if we win a cup with Luongo in the net, I'd trade him when his value is higher.
