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03-31-2012, 11:00 PM
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Would Leafs trade with Oilers draft day to beat habs for the pick?

Hello guys, it seem this is very likely scenario as oilers are probably picking defencemen this draft, and won't mind moving down.

So, how likely are leafs gonna try to land 2nd pick to beat habs to the pick?

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03-31-2012, 11:02 PM
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its a very likely scenario if burke wants to go all out.

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03-31-2012, 11:07 PM
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If Burke wants Grigorenko, And Edmonton think they could get Dumba(or whoever) at 5 or 6 the yes I would imagine there would be a deal to be made.

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If the leafs had the 4th. I think it would make a ton of sense.

Leafs nab Grigorenko. Montreal is left scrambling. Either take one of Dumba or Murray...Or Galchenyuk to satisfy the C they are looking for.

Although if EDM is set on one of Murray or Dumba (or one of the others). Do they risk Montreal taking him. Just to gain a pick or prospect?

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If Burke/management are high on Grigs/Gally then go for it.

But if topping the habs pick was the sole reason, then no.

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I feel like a first has so much value in comparison to a prospect. If you ask me to trade our first plus McKegg for Edmonton's 1st I'd say sign me up.

But if you're throwing our first plus second I'm feeling really hesitant

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I want to know, if/when and how open and communicative the GM's are with talking to other GM's about who they will choose.

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Why would the Oilers have a better pick than the Habs?

Habs are going to be picking 2nd., Oilers might even be picking after the Leafs.

I'm afraid the Habs are grabbing Grigorenko and laughing about this tank season.

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Trade with MTL.

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At this point Minny really is the wildcard. They could use the BPA, but I think they'd actually rather take a Dman then a forward. A quick look at their prospect list shows that only 1 of their top 10 prospects is a Dman. With Granlund, Zucker, and maybe Coyle playing next year they don't really have room to add another top flight forward to the lineup.

CLB - Yakupov
EDM - Dumba
MTL - Grigorenko
MIN - Dman (too many options to list)
TOR - Galchenyuk

Now if we're not 5th that changes everything.

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Edmonton's biggest need on defense is a top end player. Either they will take Murray (who is said to be the most NHL ready defenseman in the draft) or they will package the pick for a true #1D.

I just don't see the pick being moved to the Leafs as they don't have the assets that fit the Oilers' needs.

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Trade with MTL.
you want a worse pick?

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At this point Minny really is the wildcard. They could use the BPA, but I think they'd actually rather take a Dman then a forward. A quick look at their prospect list shows that only 1 of their top 10 prospects is a Dman. With Granlund, Zucker, and maybe Coyle playing next year they don't really have room to add another top flight forward to the lineup.

CLB - Yakupov
EDM - Dumba
MTL - Grigorenko
MIN - Dman (too many options to list)
TOR - Galchenyuk

Now if we're not 5th that changes everything.
More like:
CLB - Yakupov
MTL - Grigorenko
TOR - Galchenyuk
MIN - Murray
EDM - Dumba

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you want a worse pick?
To TOR: two first round picks (2012 and 2013)
To MTL: two first round picks (2012 and 2013)


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More like:
CLB - Yakupov
MTL - Grigorenko
TOR - Galchenyuk
MIN - Murray
EDM - Dumba
Why even make the trade?

They should just pick Murray or Dumba at #3 and we'll pick Galchenyuk at #5.

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Why even make the trade?

They should just pick Murray or Dumba at #3 and we'll pick Galchenyuk at #5.
Who is making a trade?

That's my prediction today of where the teams will end up.

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Who is making a trade?

That's my prediction today of where the teams will end up.
You have a point. People do forget there is a lottery involved. I don't see EDM finishing 5th, but maybe the lottery does play a hand in where the teams pick.

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Who is making a trade?

That's my prediction today of where the teams will end up.

Edmonton is 6 points back with 4 games left, I really can't see them winning at least 3 of them while we don't pick up any points in our last 3 games.


3rd is out of reach unless we win the lottery.

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There will be a lot of movement come draft time.

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Isn't there an all purpose draft thread?

I think the Leafs are going to lose to the sabres, lose to TB and then beat the Habs. Giving the Leafs 79 points. For the habs to pass the Leafs they need 5 of 6 remaining points. for the Oilers to pass the Leafs they need 7 of 8 points. The wild need 2 of 8 points to pass us. This of course is assuming the Leafs get 0 points in the last 3 games. I'm pretty certain there is no way the Leafs fall below the habs or oilers. Maybe we get lucky and win the lottery and then select Yakupov.

It seems that Yakupov is the only true NHL ready player in the draft. I think with this high pick it is vital that the Leafs pick a centre (unless we get lucky and select first). Getting a highly touted centre like Grig or Galy is very important this draft and I am sure management knows this. I know there are some really good dmen in this draft but the Leafs already have a bunch of young dmen. We seem set on wing especially if Kadri doesn't go back to playing centre. That leaves Colborne as our only real centre prospect. That is pretty damned awful! We have two centres in the Leafs top 20 prospects one being Colborne and the other Mckegg. Mckegg is at least 3 years away from maybe cracking an NHL roster. Colborne is one or two years away. And Grig and Galy are more than likely 2 years away at the least. DRAFT A FREAKING CENTRE!

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Only way I see this happening is if he wants to give something significant to get Grigorenko.

Plus our pick would have to be at least top 5 for the Oilers to bite. I personally wouldn't trade up or down and rather just draft where the pick is...

Grigorenko has been compared to guys like Malkin...to Kozlov and that scares the **** out of me. Knowing our luck, he'd turn out to be a Kozlov so it's best not to trade up unless you're going for Yakupov.

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since rumours are swirling that schenn is going to be traded this summer, a trade with the oilers might work.

im assuming burkie works out a trade similar to the one im proposing below.

To Edmonton: Schenn, D'Amingo (or another tier 2 prospect) and 2nd Rd pk 2012

To Toronto: EDM 2012 1st rd pk (2nd overall)

We get two picks in the top 10 picks and we pick grigorenko and galchenyuk!

its a pipe dream but i think it might work if burke can convince tambellini that schenn is a better option than the D-men available at the draft. schenn is still fairly young. remember, burke can be very persuasive


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If we get 4th overall, what about a deal like Blacker and 4th overall for 2nd overall? Habs are most likely after Grigs or Forsberg and I think Leafs are too. Oilers want Dumba or Murray.

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If we get 4th overall, what about a deal like Blacker and 4th overall for 2nd overall? Habs are most likely after Grigs or Forsberg and I think Leafs are too. Oilers want Dumba or Murray.
This is a strange draft. It seems that Yakupov is well ahead of everyone and then people will argue over the two centres, the 2 dmen, the next couple dmen and of course Forsberg, Faksa and Gaunce. I think if the Leafs have the 4th overall they should just stay put because who knows what player will be best. I'd be happy with either of the two centres. I really hope it doesn't go Yakupov, Grig<->Galy..unless the Leafs win the lottery.

The Leafs should be able to get a player who can contribute in the NHL in the next couple of seasons. But lots of high draft picks do end up making the big club right out of the draft so it will be interesting!

Oh and as for the proposal (it is why I quoted you) I think we should not trade assets like Blacker to move up two spots as after Yakupov everyone else seems pretty close.

When is TSN going to have their end of the year draft rankings/ top 30 break down?

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since rumours are swirling that schenn is going to be traded this summer, a trade with the oilers might work.

im assuming burkie works out a trade similar to the one im proposing below.

To Edmonton: Schenn, D'Amingo (or another tier 2 prospect) and 2nd Rd pk 2012

To Toronto: EDM 2012 1st rd pk (2nd overall)

We get two picks in the top 10 picks and we pick grigorenko and galchenyuk!

its a pipe dream but i think it might work if burke can convince tambellini that schenn is a better option than the D-men available at the draft. schenn is still fairly young. remember, burke can be very persuasive
You really think a guy having an extremely bad season in Schenn, then Damigo and a 2nd (which is really bad this year) will get you 2nd overall?

Schenn, Blacker, Ashton, Mckegg, Damigo and any of our goalies not named Reimer would be the type of deal I would look for if I was Edmonton. You don't just hand 2nd overall over for struggling one dimensional guys and depth players. They would get 2 decent dmen with 2 different roles, a potentially great third line in Damigo-Ashton-Mckegg and a goalie prospect of their choosing

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