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04-01-2012, 12:48 AM
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Splitting up Sedins upon Daniel's return?

For a couple of Reasons:
- Henrik has been playing without Daniel for a while now & is beginning to develop chemistry with other players

- The brothers will be able to display more creativity and unpredictability with their passes while playing w/o each other

- Henrik and Daniel have the best vision on the team & it would give each line in the top 2 an elite playmaker

- Give the opposing teams a harder time to contain the Canucks, as well as give our top 2 a better balance of grit, playmaking ability and scoring touch

- Helps the brothers grow separately without growing apart (jkjk). But could be a way to shorten their individual slumps if it were to occur

So our top 2 would like something like:
A. Burrows - H. Sedin - M. Lapierre
D. Sedin - R. Kesler - D. Booth


Though as the post season is nearing, will the risk of trying this at the moment be too high? Nevertheless, I still believe they should remain together on the power play.


Maybe it's time for a change. What do you all think?

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yeah. they become predictable so far in the playoffs. they'll get shutdown. 2nd line is currently in "quiet mode". only the 3rd and 4th line guys chipping it in for 2 weeks now. mainly higgins/lappy. i wouldn't mind the twins splitting up. it'll throw the opposing coach off and they'll have to scramble for matchups which would favor vancouver.

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100% agree with this.

Balanced teams win Cups. Play Daniel with Kesler and our team becomes instantly more effective.

Booth - Henrik - Kassian
Daniel - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Pahlsson - Hansen
Malhotra - Lapierre - Ebbett

That is a stacked lineup, and balanced too.

Reunite them for the PP.

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Start them together. If they don't have success, split them up.

Sometimes, the twins just seem too comfortable with each other. Just rely on the same old thing. By playing apart, the twins have to adjust their game to compliment their 2 linemates, rather than having 1 linemate compliment their game. That's probably easier for them to make those necessary adjustments to the games for the playoffs, like getting to the net more, moving their feet rather than making plays stationary, shooting the puck more, etc.

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Ugh, Zack Kassian is not a scoring line player (yet). I have no idea why some people keep pencilling him in for a place on a scoring line.

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Whatever we do, don't split up that 3rd line.

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For a couple of Reasons:
- Henrik has been playing without Daniel for a while now & is beginning to develop chemistry with other players


So our top 2 would like something like:
A. Burrows - H. Sedin - Z. Kassian/ C. Higgins
D. Sedin - R. Kesler - D. Booth


Though as the post season is nearing, will the risk of trying this at the moment be too high? Nevertheless, I still believe they should remain together on the power play!


Maybe it's time for a change. What do you all think?

Peace.
question is will Daniel be effective without his brother?

AV now have options of mixing 1st line 5 on 5 if the sedins become predictable.
option 1: sedins, burrows
option 2: sedins, bitz/kass (better protection)
option 3: henrik, burr, max (2nd line: kes, daniel, booth)

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absolutely not

henrik has been putting up more points since daniel's injury but i'd attribute that more to henrik playing with a greater level of urgency and intensity than anything else

at the end of the day, this team needs production from the sedin twins on a relatively consistent basis as well as powerplay goals from their teamwork to give them the best chance at getting through the western conference...they'll need to rely on offensive depth for sure, but teams almost never win the stanley cup without their best players being their best players

that said, i can see av adjusting to the flow of the game and switching up the lines at a quicker rate than in the past based on what we've seen recently, and that's got to be a positive considering vigneault has often been too conservative in past playoff series mixing up his line combos when things start heading south

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question is will Daniel be effective without his brother?

AV now have options of mixing 1st line 5 on 5 if the sedins become predictable.
option 1: sedins, burrows
option 2: sedins, bitz/kass (better protection)
option 3: henrik, burr, max (2nd line: kes, daniel, booth)
That's pretty much how I see it. I think they should test out option 3 when Daniel returns, since that keeps the hot first line and hot 3rd line together, then makes for an interesting dynamic on the 2nd line (arguably the first line I suppose).

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I could see them split, but keep them together on 1st PP unit. On PP they get more room and it does matter less if they are predictable.

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I definitely agree with splitting them uo. Henrik has proved he will still make plays and create goals whoever he is playing with, and if Daniel was on a line with Kesler and Booth/Burrows he could use his playmaking instincts and really get Kesler and Booth out of their funk...which is a huge key for our team.

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I think it's a good idea to split the twins, play them on the powerplay and any 4 on 4 situation.

I will go with This

Raymond H Sedin Burrows
D Sedin Kesler Booth
Higgins Pahlsson Hansen
Manny Lapierre Kassain

Extra Ebbett/weise/bitz/reinprecht/volpatti. fyi: Raymond could only put up points if he plays with Henrik with no Daniel. Raymond has no chemistry with
Kesler, The coach puts Kesler back with Raymond. This is how it is, Kesler/booth not playing well, The coach put higgins there, Booth and Kesler not starts scoring now higgins is off the line and Kesler/booth stop scoring again. I want Higgins with Kesler and booth but higgins on the 3rd make that line one hell of a checking line.

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No.

No no no no no no no no no.

No.

Ok?

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No.

No no no no no no no no no.

No.

Ok?
why not?

We can't be stubborn and should open to changes

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I don't mind splitting them 5-on-5, keeping things tight defensively, then just finding a way to win. But... I'm not totally sure. The Sedins seem to get better every year, and despite having less points, I think the Sedins have been kinda holding back a bit - saving it for the real season.

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Clearly we should trade Danny for Shea Weber this offseason

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why not?

We can't be stubborn and should open to changes
Because then Sedins together are our biggest offensive weapon especially on our now woebegone PP.

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100% agree. Here are my reasons:

- Up against hard forechecking, tough defensive teams, the Sedins are not only far less effective, but they become a defensive liability. Last year's playoffs proved that and they struggled against these types of teams all regular season as well. And not only a defensive liability, but also taking hooking and holding penalties when they got hemmed in their own zone.

- Lapierre provides a 2nd faceoff man on that 1st line, as well as size and speed.

- You need a forechecking demon/grinder on every line in the playoffs. It's just a different game. Lapierre, Burrows and Henrik are a complete line with more defensive awareness and toughness. Creates a bit more room for Henrik. The improved defensive play will create offensive chances in itself.

- Daniel-Kesler-Booth would make a solid #2 line, again with adding a new element to that line. Daniel is an excellent playmaker and will benefit from having another shooter. One less cute pass and more net presence. Booth's job on that line is to penetrate the perimeter, go to the net, and/or just make space. He's a simple player and that's a simple game.

- On the PP they have more room and Henrik and Daniel should obviously play together.

My proposed lines:

Burr-Henrik-Lappy
Daniel-Kesler-Booth
Higgins-Pahlsson-Hansen
Raymond-Manny-Kassian


Obviously the Sedins have a higher level of chemistry than any other 2 players in the league, but they're also similar players who just aren't that effective in this "new and improved" Dead Puck Era. They are simply unable to create enough space for themselves while 5-on-5 when the going gets tough and last year's playoffs made that painfully obvious.


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Because then Sedins together are our biggest offensive weapon especially on our now woebegone PP.
I only suggested splitting them up 5-on-5 incase they become predictable in the playoffs

the Canucks should learn from last year, and grow from the experience

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Ugh, Zack Kassian is not a scoring line player (yet). I have no idea why some people keep pencilling him in for a place on a scoring line.
It's more about pencilling him to "protect" the Twins, rather than AV pencilling him to produce.

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My proposed lines:

Burr-Henrik-Lappy
Daniel-Kesler-Booth
Higgins-Pahlsson-Hansen
Kassian-Manny-Raymond
100% agree with those lines, but just switch Kassian to RW and Raymond to LW.

I also like the Burrows-Henrik-Lapierre line. Lappy and Burr have had chemistry in the past and still do

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I definitely agree with splitting them uo. Henrik has proved he will still make plays and create goals whoever he is playing with, and if Daniel was on a line with Kesler and Booth/Burrows he could use his playmaking instincts and really get Kesler and Booth out of their funk...which is a huge key for our team.

Exactly. Henrik and Daniel are caught too many times stationary and looking just for each other in the offensive zone.

Henrik has been more effective partly because Lapierre has created more space for him.

We should have done this in the Boston series and split them up. Although there were hardly any healthy bodies to go around.

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100% agree with those lines, but just switch Kassian to RW and Raymond to LW.

I also like the Burrows-Henrik-Lapierre line. Lappy and Burr have had chemistry in the past and still do
Fixed. I love the look of that first line.

I also think that 4th line could do some damage. Raymond and Manny are excellent defensively, and Kassian will create space for Raymond. And Manny is better offensively than he gets credit for.

We're spreading the talent better throughout the lineup and will be able to roll 4 lines.

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I agree with splitting them up and having Daniel on Kesler's wing if they don't produce. Gives Kes an actual playmaker to work with which improves the team's overall offence, regardless of the fact that the Twins have good chemistry together. Which is really what it's all about. If it makes the team better versus making one line better, you have to consider it.

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Keep the Sedins together, Short term it may work, but splitting them up long term wouldnt be effective IMO.

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