I honestly think that Kenny will go hard after one of them this summer in FA but he will only sign one of the two because I think Lidstrom is definitely coming back for the Winter Classic.
I honestly think that Kenny will go hard after one of them this summer in FA but he will only sign one of the two because I think Lidstrom is definitely coming back for the Winter Classic.
I doubt that has any impact on his plans for next year. Something tells me that will all depend on how his ankle really is.
The thing i want to address, if possible, is the return of 3 scoring lines and a right handed shooter for Datsyuk.
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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($7.000m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($4.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Brad Boyes ($1.500m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.400m) / Darren Helm ($1.700m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Barret Jackman ($4.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,342,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster):- $3,042,045
Nothing really directed at you, but Matheson is a long time HHOF journalist. So if there's one guy out there to throw it out as a possibility, I'm happy it was him.
So is Al Strachan
I like Matheson's columns. But he had some big plans for the Wings at the deadline too
They aren't going to land Parise, it will probably someone less than exciting with cap space left for someone else who is less than exciting in the future.
If you're going to pay a winger $7 million...give it to Parise. Semin is going to make you want to drink acid and shove sharp things into various parts of your body.
If Lidstrom retires and Stuart goes back to the West Coast, then you go huge after Suter and bring in a top 6 forward (Parise would be my preference), let Hudler walk and promote Nyquist to Hudler's spot on the 2nd line.
If you're going to pay a winger $7 million...give it to Parise. Semin is going to make you want to drink acid and shove sharp things into various parts of your body.
I'm not adding a collection of players.
I'm thinking of the team.
What does this team need? Another undersized hardworking forward with skill? Sure.
But we need a Right Handed forward who has 40 goal ability.
These things don't mean a lot to the average fan..but for coaches and schemes, it's a big thing to have a right handed shot.
It also wouldn't hurt to get Pavel a Russian on the team.
Besides, my guess is that Parise is going to cost $1 to $1,5M more than Semin. And deservedly so. I wouldn't be surprised to see Semin come in closer to $5.5M
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If Lidstrom retires and Stuart goes back to the West Coast, then you go huge after Suter and bring in a top 6 forward (Parise would be my preference), let Hudler walk and promote Nyquist to Hudler's spot on the 2nd line.
All you've done is create the same Red Wings team.
Why in the hell would you move Hudler if you don't have to?
Sorry, but this team needs more than adding 7 goals on Hudler and replacing Lids with Suter.
I'd triple cross my fingers for Parise, and would definitely take him over Nash myself. That's not to say that Nash wouldn't be a huge addition to the roster but given Columbus and what his eventual cost would be, I'd prefer to let some other team fandangle over the hefty price it would cost to acquire him. I'm more sold on Parise as more of a winning player, someone who has success, leadership and comes from an organization not unlike the Wings.
Suter and Parise, though? I can hope and wish. As for Semin, you do not want him on this team. The guy is a world beater at times but it is so rare that he turns it on, it would be more of a headache if he was signed long-term. Maybe a one year deal. I watch a lot of Caps games and his inconsistency is rage inducing at times. I don't think Semin coming into the organization would help him focus or any of that stuff, although Parise, more than willing to play the price.
An interesting option would be Iginla if Calgary decides to move him to a contender in the offseason.
He only has 1 year left on his deal, so Calgary can't command as huge of a price on him.
He's a right handed shot with proven scoring ability, provides grit and toughness and being in his late 30's he would probably fit into the locker room quite easily.
It would totally depend on the cost to get him, but if he was Russian he'd be the perfect fit for Datsyuk's wing.
So you'd rather lose prospects, draft picks and or roster players and pay more money for a player who will put up less points.
I'm not entirely sold on Parise either, but I'd take him over Nash any day.
I think what the Wings really need is a Right handed shot, preferably 2, one for the point and another on the wing.
I'd also take Parise over Nash, although we could use a PF who uses his size also. Definitely need a RH shot up front, and I've wondered since last off-season why the Wings didn't push for Michael Ryder. Maybe they did and he chose Dallas instead, but man, I'd love to have his shot on Datsyuk's wing. He scored at least 25 goals in 4 of his previous 7 seasons, twice hitting 30 w/ Montreal (doesn't include his great current season of 35 goals). I know he didn't light it up w/ Boston the last 2 years but he was good in the PO's last year, and he can flat out finish with a cap hit of only $3.5 million.
Given how much Illitch is spending on the Tigers, declining Wings sales and increasing Tigers sales, and the lack of spending since 08-09, I have to wonder if the team is now operating on an internal cap.
Given how much Illitch is spending on the Tigers, declining Wings sales and increasing Tigers sales, and the lack of spending since 08-09, I have to wonder if the team is now operating on an internal cap.
This is the first year they haven't spent to the cap.
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From a GM, "Detroit is the best team we've played this year. It's not even close. Their puck control is incredible...You have to hope your goalie has a great night to give you a chance."
Given how much Illitch is spending on the Tigers, declining Wings sales and increasing Tigers sales, and the lack of spending since 08-09, I have to wonder if the team is now operating on an internal cap.
I would be very surprised if Ilitch spent more on one team and took away from the other. I'm sure he has plenty of money put aside for anything the Red Wings can spend, and he isn't dipping into that to spend on the Tigers.
What's the difference between Schultz and Dekeyser?
Schultz offers more offense, Dekeyser is more of a shut down defensive defenseman. Schultz is more of a complete player; he's one of the more highly regarded defensive prospects out there. If he doesn't sign with Anaheim he will probably be the most sought after d-man UFA after Suter.
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7.5 for Parise? I'll say it again. I'd rather have Nash and give up the assets.
Yeah, no. I don't think it would take 7.5 to get him, but I'd pay it. He is a much more complete player than Nash IMO; perennial Selke candidate, and a great leader to boot. His game is a perfect fit for the Red Wing's system.
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Given how much Illitch is spending on the Tigers, declining Wings sales and increasing Tigers sales, and the lack of spending since 08-09, I have to wonder if the team is now operating on an internal cap.
Yeah, I highly doubt that. Illitch is a billionaire and the Red Wings are one of the more profitable teams in the NHL (60 straight sell outs at home, with top five merchandise sales annually). Holland is more likely leaving some flexibility for the next CBA in case the cap goes down dramatically. Or he simply hasn't liked the deals that were out there, if he'd filled that cap space with some player(s) last offseason he wouldn't have the opportunity to go after guys like Parise or Suter this upcoming offseason.
As for our plans this offseason, I think Lidstrom resigns so Suter is probably unlikely. I also think Parise is the Wings #1 target, with Schultz being the #2 target. If Parise gets to July 1st, I like the wings chances at landing him given our year-in-year-out success, system, coach, players, etcetera. Also think if Smith is going to be on the team he needs to be playing good minutes, not be the #7 guy. My prediction for our lines:
Nyquist/Datsyuk/Parise
Filppula/Zetterberg/Franzen
Bertuzzi/Helm/Cleary
Miller/Abdelkader/Mursak
Andersson (Tatar for call ups)
Lidstrom/Smith
Kronwall/White
Ericsson/Quincey
Kindl (Schultz for call ups)
We've been strapped to the cap most years. This summer, I expect we'll get back there, or at least close, when all is said and done.
Yeah, they'll spend if the right guys are available. The problem is last year the FA crop, aside from Brad Richards, was pretty MEH to MEH PLUS. Not great. This year there's some prime time stuff and it's time to break out the checkbook.
The thing i want to address, if possible, is the return of 3 scoring lines and a right handed shooter for Datsyuk.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($7.000m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($4.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Brad Boyes ($1.500m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.400m) / Darren Helm ($1.700m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Barret Jackman ($4.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,342,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster):- $3,042,045
That team does look better. I think that while that first line is loaded with talent, it will get knocked around and teams will take too many liberties with them. If it works, then absolutely make that a line, but to start the year, if we can roll 3 lines steadily, I would rather see this.
Those lines seem more balanced and I don't have a problem with Bertuzzi like a lot of posters do. I think he would thrive on this line. It's like his line from 2002 except with loads more talent.
I dont get why everyone wants to get rid of Hudler. Yeah, Nyquist could probably replace his scoring but having Hudler + Nyquist makes for a better team than having just Nyquist.
I dont get why everyone wants to get rid of Hudler. Yeah, Nyquist could probably replace his scoring but having Hudler + Nyquist makes for a better team than having just Nyquist.
Depends how things shake out. If the Wings add another legit top 6 player, then Hudler is probably pushed out due to his salary and role. If nobody is available to the Wings in July, well, welcome back Huds!
I like Hudler and his role, but let's be honest he's a complimentary scorer at best. We already have a complimentary scorer in Franzen making $4 million and you can fill out your entire roster with those guys and still have room for the big paycheck impact players. The realities of the salary cap and not a reflection on Hudler.
I dont get why everyone wants to get rid of Hudler. Yeah, Nyquist could probably replace his scoring but having Hudler + Nyquist makes for a better team than having just Nyquist.
For me its his skating, despite many things he does very well, I think you need a sun dial to measure the length of time it takes him to skate end to end.
If we could trade Cleary or Emmerton I'd be fine with keeping Hudler but we need a roster spot for any FA's we pick up in the offseason and there aren't many spots available.
