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Forgot about to mention how Schenn has played twice as many games than Subban? Nice homertism.
And maybe Montreal didn't want to rush Subban, ever thought about that? Maple Leafs rushed Luke and look how it's gone for him. He plays but you can't say he has been good more than he's been bad.
Subban > Schenn, quite badly actually.
lol, OK. I wasn't saying PK was better or worse then Schenn.
But OMG, somebody used Schenn and PK in the same sentence. Call the internet police!
The point is, PK is older, with a better team (prior to this season) who has terrific give aways and has been a healthy scratch on a number of occasions is given the benefit of the doubt, while Luke Schenn is considered complete and utter ****.
Is Lindback really the answer to Leafs' goaltending woes?
Maybe, maybe not. His playing time has been severely limited since he plays on the same team as Rinne. When Peks went down last year with an injury, Lindback played like a legitimate #1 goalie. This year, he's regressed since he's only played about 10 games.
I think that, given the right opportunity, he has about a 65% chance to be a solid starter (not Rinne, but think Ondrej Pavelec), and a 30% chance of a 1A/1B type guy (think Niemi) and a 5% chance to be a career backup.
Okay, sure. Now you can sleep peacefully at night knowing your team's #1 is better than the current 3rd pairing guy on the Leafs.
Subban has his flaws but when u take caphit, potential and present ability into consideration I'd say he is better and worth more than your captain Phaneuf (#1 D for u guys) so yeah...
I wouldn't be making fun out of Subban when your defensive corps is pretty bad overall tbh.
P.s not trying to be a dick, just stating the facts .
Subban has his flaws but when u take caphit, potential and present ability into consideration I'd say he is better and worth more than your captain Phaneuf (#1 D for u guys) so yeah...
I wouldn't be making fun out of Subban when your defensive corps is pretty bad overall tbh.
P.s not trying to be a dick, just stating the facts .
Subban is, at best a 40 p;oint defenceman. He's never proven otherwise.
Unless of course you think a 23 year old defenceman can progress in the NHL as his team/system get better.
Subban is, at best a 40 p;oint defenceman. He's never proven otherwise.
Unless of course you think a 23 year old defenceman can progress in the NHL as his team/system get better.
I could see him scoring more points in the future (not saying he is gonna tear it up like Karlsson). And he is still on his ELC.
Phaneuf makes +$6M, Subban is not gonna cost as much and Subban is a steady offensive performer. While Phaneuf puts up real good numbers he has big flaws in his game and he makes way too much for his type of game/talent.
I know Leaf fans have been trying to offer up Schenn in lots of trades, but if you were GM of your team, what would you offer for Luke Schenn???
to be honest i like schenn and his raw talent... and i think playing in toronto in that struggle there is easily a very bad situation for a young dman
the nhl history is full of young guys that get a second chance and turn it around... but then again some never do...
as a fan of the boston bruins though i feel chara can help almost anyone turn it around and our system is real good also for dmen like schenn... and when dougie hamilton eventually arrives on the sceen he is a rh shot puck mover that would love a big banging stay at home lh shot to pair up with for the next decade.
so... as for a trade? i suppose i think tim thomas probably gets moved this off-season and is there any other team in the NHL more in need of a goaltender that can get them into the playoffs the next couple years then toronto?
reimer might be able to play 40-45 games next year... maybe... but he sure cant be 'expected' to do it at this point. bringing in a 'name vet' like thomas that can steal games by himself is actually exactly what toronto needs.
thomas didnt have a career in the nhl when he was in his 20's and hasnt made 100 million dollars like most guy his age have yet... so its very possible he will sign an extension if he gets traded somewhere.
a 1-for-1 trade doesnt seem to make a lot of sense though.
maybe expand the deal a bit if boston does go hard after parise and needs to free up a spot in their top 6.
krecji and thomas
for
schenn and kadri and a future first round pick
toronto gets enough immediate help to save burkes job for the net 2-3 years and get their fans a little happiness. boston doesnt sacrafice the current team alot {this is assuming they would get parise to upgrade over krecji} and loads themselves up pretty decently for 3-7 years down the future
I posted no opinion, just truth. But so many people say he has no offensive upside, and yet he's scored some points.
Anyway, see my post above.
I actually think his numbers are kind of impressive, since he cant skate, pass, shoot or handle the puck. He certainly is making the best of what offensive skill he has.
I could see him scoring more points in the future (not saying he is gonna tear it up like Karlsson). And he is still on his ELC.
Phaneuf makes +$6M, Subban is not gonna cost as much and Subban is a steady offensive performer. While Phaneuf puts up real good numbers he has big flaws in his game and he makes way too much for his type of game/talent.
I refuse to get into a PK vs Phaneuf debate in a Luke Schenn thread.
PK obviously has potential to be a great defenceman. He's young and playing on a crap team in a system that may not suit his strengths.
Sounds familiar. Luke Schenn will also be a really good defenceman in the NHL. At 22 in the wrong system, he's got room to improve and excel.
Subban is, at best a 40 p;oint defenceman. He's never proven otherwise.
Unless of course you think a 23 year old defenceman can progress in the NHL as his team/system get better.
Schenn is at best a 22 pt d-man as he has never proven otherwise.
I easily take a 40 pt d-man over a 22 pt dman and when you add in he's just as good defensively .
Actually P.K . has been better defensively this season.
So P.K. easily AINEC.
to be honest i like schenn and his raw talent... and i think playing in toronto in that struggle there is easily a very bad situation for a young dman
the nhl history is full of young guys that get a second chance and turn it around... but then again some never do...
as a fan of the boston bruins though i feel chara can help almost anyone turn it around and our system is real good also for dmen like schenn... and when dougie hamilton eventually arrives on the sceen he is a rh shot puck mover that would love a big banging stay at home lh shot to pair up with for the next decade.
so... as for a trade? i suppose i think tim thomas probably gets moved this off-season and is there any other team in the NHL more in need of a goaltender that can get them into the playoffs the next couple years then toronto?
reimer might be able to play 40-45 games next year... maybe... but he sure cant be 'expected' to do it at this point. bringing in a 'name vet' like thomas that can steal games by himself is actually exactly what toronto needs.
thomas didnt have a career in the nhl when he was in his 20's and hasnt made 100 million dollars like most guy his age have yet... so its very possible he will sign an extension if he gets traded somewhere.
a 1-for-1 trade doesnt seem to make a lot of sense though.
maybe expand the deal a bit if boston does go hard after parise and needs to free up a spot in their top 6.
krecji and thomas
for
schenn and kadri and a future first round pick
toronto gets enough immediate help to save burkes job for the net 2-3 years and get their fans a little happiness. boston doesnt sacrafice the current team alot {this is assuming they would get parise to upgrade over krecji} and loads themselves up pretty decently for 3-7 years down the future
Toronto wont contend while Thomas is still viable. Krecji would be a good fit for them, but bruins have no use for Kadri - see Hamil, and Schenn at his salary doesnt give them anything that Boychuck, McQuade, Zanon etc dont already do
The point is, PK is older, with a better team (prior to this season) who has terrific give aways and has been a healthy scratch on a number of occasions is given the benefit of the doubt, while Luke Schenn is considered complete and utter ****.
Schenn has played 150 more games than Subban, so the use of Schenn has 1 more point is terrible.
Also, had the Leafs been smart and not terrible, they would have kept Schenn in the CHL for another year
Schenn is expose by everyone, while Subban plays with Gorges against the oppositions top players.
Now take your lame attempts to troll and go away.
Only thing I agree with you on is Schenn's ability to contribute offensively is underrated by everyone.
Schenn is at best a 22 pt d-man as he has never proven otherwise.
I easily take a 40 pt d-man over a 22 pt dman and when you add in he's just as good defensively .
Actually P.K . has been better defensively this season.
So P.K. easily AINEC.
You are awfully stubborn. Or else just not too bright. There is no direct comparison to the 2.
At the trade deadline Burke said that he received numerous offers on Toronto players in exchange for a first round pick. I think Burke said he had offers of that on 4 or 5 players, I can't remember. But I can guarantee that one of those players that had a first round pick offered on him was Luke Schenn. Whether various fans like it or not, many GMs in the league would be willing to give up a first rounder for Schenn if the pick would be in the mid to late round range, I doubt many would offer a top 10 or 15 pick for him at this time.
He should have grabbed at least of two of them then....
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