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04-04-2012, 07:30 AM
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Stu Bickel & toughness & lineups

Im a big fan of his & a big fan of all under dog players... He is tough and a very solid 3rd pairing player.

people keep penciling him out for a 3rd pairing of Erixon and Schultz.I mean really waste 2 rookies on 3rd pairing mins? and 2 rookies in general? I personally think erixon will be dealt.i also think he is a tad bit over hyped.will he be good yeah prob,but not what ppl are making him out to be.IMO.

A few things happen here.One with out Bickel,NYR automatically gets softer in toughness and on defense( toughness).Not that NYR doesnt have toughness,but blueline toughness is necessary.

also,when you have players playing 4th line mins and 3rd pairing mins,they are playing limited ice time.If there is no wrong why change things..Good teams are built with a fair share of everything.Toughness,shot blockers,locker room type guys,pk'ers,pp specialists,play makers, goal scorers,fighters,hitters etc... Not a line up full of rookies and soft non physical players... LOOK at what the Devils and Det have done.All teams built off home grown and had plenty of toughness,they still build the same and are always among top in the NHL.

I see people here constantly take out toughness and add rookies and all sorts of soft non physical type players to these NYR lineups.

well open your eyes wake up and be realistic.Didnt every ranger fan get sick of being abused of years with no toughness?Now they are #1 in the NHL with fighting major and tough as ****,can handle the Flyers and devvils etc,when it comes to toughness.I know ages vary around here but for a long time up until last year a bit,NYR lacked toughness something horrible for a long time!!!!!! So i d k what people remember.

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I am slowly becoming a REALLY big Stu Bickel fan. As many may remember I have been clamoring for a big, strong, physical d-man on the 3rd pairing for a few years. I think it adds a dimension that has been missed. Bickel fits that role for sure and when you have (4) VERY solid top-4 d-men, it's okay if he has to sit for 5 minutes every now and then to send a message.

He is just solid. Nothing flashy, although he does carry the puck up the ice and join the rush rather well, he just gets the job done. Pleasantly surprised.

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I've liked Bickel from day 1. Nothing flashy as mentioned, does his job and doesn't cause ridiculous errors. He does makes mistakes occasionally, but you have to remember, he's a rookie whose learning, and I'm ok with that. He adds some toughness on the back end and is always ready to protect his teammates. Should definetily be back next season as a 6-7 Dman.

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I am slowly becoming a REALLY big Stu Bickel fan. As many may remember I have been clamoring for a big, strong, physical d-man on the 3rd pairing for a few years. I think it adds a dimension that has been missed. Bickel fits that role for sure and when you have (4) VERY solid top-4 d-men, it's okay if he has to sit for 5 minutes every now and then to send a message.

He is just solid. Nothing flashy, although he does carry the puck up the ice and join the rush rather well, he just gets the job done. Pleasantly surprised.
I agree and you get my point 100%,thnk God,lol.

hes no beukeboom,but is tough and very solid back there.a pleasent surprise i def agree.

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bickel is EXACTLY the kind of player this team was missing on D. the last few years this team was bullied around by boston and philly specifically, as well as a few other teams. with rupp and bickel the RANGERS set the tone and WE bully the opponents.

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bickel is EXACTLY the kind of player this team was missing on D. the last few years this team was bullied around by boston and philly specifically, as well as a few other teams. with rupp and bickel the RANGERS set the tone and WE bully the opponents.
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Also a huge Bickel fan. Guy sticks up for his teammates and doesn't let anyone get near Lundy when he's on the ice. Love the way he plays the game. Can't ask for more from a 3rd pairing guy.

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Love the fact that Bickel was given a chance and has played well for what is asked. Is he perfect? No but nether is any of the "D" on this team. No doubt he adds that mean streak that we have lacked since Beukeboom/Samuelsson (not sure I would include Purinton). Guy plays, doesn't complain, and stands up for his teammates. Not sure you could ask for anymore for a bottom pairing guy.

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I'm a big Bickel fan too. And was not expecting to be at all; I remember watching him in college and honestly he was terrible. But he has stepped in and for the most part played solid D; not to mention he's a darn good fighter and always, always throws the puck at the net.

Who know what exactly the future holds for Bick, but thus far he's done his job well.

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Toughness is a mindset. The Rangers are team tough much in the same mold Detroit, a team that regularly has the fewest fighting majors. I believe we need guys like Prust, bickel, Rupp. But thats to keep teams honest. We allowed teams to push around when we had one of the best in the business in Orr. Like I said, its more in how you carry yourself than your actual actions.

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Who know what exactly the future holds for Bick, but thus far he's done his job well.
hey man...For torts to keep him in consistantly and over erixon and Eminger,he obvioulsy sees what we didnt or dont or still dont... thats why hes an NHL coach and why Sather n Co acquired him....i think he is going to work out really well..better than anyone expected.i hope atleast.

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I am slowly becoming a REALLY big Stu Bickel fan. As many may remember I have been clamoring for a big, strong, physical d-man on the 3rd pairing for a few years. I think it adds a dimension that has been missed. Bickel fits that role for sure and when you have (4) VERY solid top-4 d-men, it's okay if he has to sit for 5 minutes every now and then to send a message.

He is just solid. Nothing flashy, although he does carry the puck up the ice and join the rush rather well, he just gets the job done. Pleasantly surprised.

To piggyback this a bit,

Bickel also does a lot of little things well, wether it be pinch at right time,take a low shot on net, or simple pass/clear up the wall to out the d-zone.

He isn't going to be Chris Pronger, nor Ruslan Salei even.But he does give you everything and hardly looks out of place.

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The people who want Bicks out of the line up are too young to remember when we got pushed around.People want Rupp gone and replaced with a speedster.You can't really blame the young kids here they don't have a huge history with Hockey or the Rangers.They want video game line ups and thank God we have a GM that is old school and knows better.





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Im a big fan of his & a big fan of all under dog players... He is tough and a very solid 3rd pairing player.

people keep penciling him out for a 3rd pairing of Erixon and Schultz.I mean really waste 2 rookies on 3rd pairing mins? and 2 rookies in general? I personally think erixon will be dealt.i also think he is a tad bit over hyped.will he be good yeah prob,but not what ppl are making him out to be.IMO.

A few things happen here.One with out Bickel,NYR automatically gets softer in toughness and on defense( toughness).Not that NYR doesnt have toughness,but blueline toughness is necessary.

also,when you have players playing 4th line mins and 3rd pairing mins,they are playing limited ice time.If there is no wrong why change things..Good teams are built with a fair share of everything.Toughness,shot blockers,locker room type guys,pk'ers,pp specialists,play makers, goal scorers,fighters,hitters etc... Not a line up full of rookies and soft non physical players... LOOK at what the Devils and Det have done.All teams built off home grown and had plenty of toughness,they still build the same and are always among top in the NHL.

I see people here constantly take out toughness and add rookies and all sorts of soft non physical type players to these NYR lineups.

well open your eyes wake up and be realistic.Didnt every ranger fan get sick of being abused of years with no toughness?Now they are #1 in the NHL with fighting major and tough as ****,can handle the Flyers and devvils etc,when it comes to toughness.I know ages vary around here but for a long time up until last year,a bit year before NYR lacked toughness something horrible for a long time!!!!!! So i d k what people remember.

looking to see some opinions,perspectives on these 3 topics.I respect everyones opinions,cause thats what opinions are for....

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Bickel' best asset is that he knows his role and doesn't try to do too much. He doesn't overextend himself. That said, he's nowhere near the player Sauer is, and if I have to choose, I'd play Stralman over Bickel most nights. Bickel would be a fine 7th defenseman going forward.

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The people who want Bicks out of the line up are too young to remember when we got pushed around.People want Rupp gone and replaced with a speedster.You can't really blame the young kids here they don't have a huge history with Hockey or the Rangers.They want video game line ups and thank God we have a GM that is old school and knows better.
Yeah, thank God for our old school GM, who has been at the helm of an NHL club continuously for the last 20 years, 1992-2012, and in that entire span, has had ZERO seasons where his team won more than one playoff round. Thank God for him.

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The people who want Bicks out of the line up are too young to remember when we got pushed around.People want Rupp gone and replaced with a speedster.You can't really blame the young kids here they don't have a huge history with Hockey or the Rangers.They want video game line ups and thank God we have a GM that is old school and knows better.
well said man..Im turning 34 end of may..been a fan since i went to my first NYR game in 1987..so i seen and remember a whole lot of good times n bad times,i remeber the bad times and try not too,lol....

this team for a long time,was getting punked left and right man,it was terrible.

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Bickel' best asset is that he knows his role and doesn't try to do too much. He doesn't overextend himself. That said, he's nowhere near the player Sauer is, and if I have to choose, I'd play Stralman over Bickel most nights. Bickel would be a fine 7th defenseman going forward.



Yeah, thank God for our old school GM, who has been at the helm of an NHL club continuously for the last 20 years, 1992-2012, and in that entire span, has had ZERO seasons where his team won more than one playoff round. Thank God for him.
hey,i hated sather for a while til the season after the lockout..they had to change the way the tema was built andf yeah thnk god for sather and co...they built a fantastic club,minus some bad signings and draft picks,but no one is perfect...Yeah sather is doing the right thing for quit a few years now and look where it has this club...though coaching and the players themselves are just as big a part,but the team had to be built by someone and ather is the head of it built things right and built from net out like a smart gm would do... I def appreciate Sather these days.

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He's been a pleasant surprise thus far. Keep it simple and plays his role very well. I'm sure he'll be kept around as a 7th d-man who can step in on nights where we need the extra grit.

Seeing what he brings in 8-12 minutes of ice-time per night makes me really excited for what McIlrath will provide if he pans out.

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I am slowly becoming a REALLY big Stu Bickel fan. As many may remember I have been clamoring for a big, strong, physical d-man on the 3rd pairing for a few years. I think it adds a dimension that has been missed. Bickel fits that role for sure and when you have (4) VERY solid top-4 d-men, it's okay if he has to sit for 5 minutes every now and then to send a message.

He is just solid. Nothing flashy, although he does carry the puck up the ice and join the rush rather well, he just gets the job done. Pleasantly surprised.
I liked the way he puched Simmons in the face in the 2nd period as they both went for the puck in the corner and Simmons went crying to the ref...

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people keep penciling him out for a 3rd pairing of Erixon and Schultz.
First of all, Schultz is not a Ranger. Second of all, Erixon is not ready. Bickel does the role of a #6 defenseman. He actually does it fairly well.
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I mean really waste 2 rookies on 3rd pairing mins? and 2 rookies in general?
The third pair is the best place to develop rookie defensemen. But I do not see who is ready to step up and have no problem with opening next year's season with Sauer (if healthy) and Bickel.

Remember that Sauer/MCD were on a pair.

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First of all, Schultz is not a Ranger. Second of all, Erixon is not ready. Bickel does the role of a #6 defenseman. He actually does it fairly well.
First of all,read my post I said PPl are penciling him in,never said i was and i never said he was a NYR ,so go try n ***** them out..im just callin it how i see it...2nd of all,no **** Erixon is not ready.I think everyone and there mother knows that...the kid has the body of strength it looks of a 12 years old,lol...but thanks for teeling me what i already knew.

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Bickel has earned himself a 1 way contract for next yr. I like him as the last guy on the roster. So a spare D and even 4th line F

On D I expect it to be McDonaugh , Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Erixon, Sauer if all healthy........then Sralman and Bickel spares..alot depends on Sauer and even McIlraths development. But he should likely start in CT. nothing wrong with that.

Also if Schultz is signed it will have an impact on things

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I've grown into a big Bickel fan. Used to be very skeptical of this guy but it's evident that his toughness adds some grit to the D and he can still hold his own in the offensive/defensive aspects of the game.

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Bickel should be in the lineup every night. He brings way more to the table than Eminger does. Eminger is physical, but Bickel's size and strength ensure that when he's physical, other teams feel the hurt.

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Yeah, thank God for our old school GM, who has been at the helm of an NHL club continuously for the last 20 years, 1992-2012, and in that entire span, has had ZERO seasons where his team won more than one playoff round. Thank God for him.
Yes....Thank God For Sather! He really is amazing. A man of wealth and taste. A leader. A builder. A renaissance man. A man among men.

That about sum it up for ya sting Did I miss anything?

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I love it, a tough gritty defender who isn't scared to run around hitting people and stick up for his teammates. He is great at pinching and gets his shot through pretty damn often imo. It just makes me excited for McIlrath because its what we have been missing all these years, a big strong defenseman who is going to clear the crease no matter what.

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I liked the way he puched Simmons in the face in the 2nd period as they both went for the puck in the corner and Simmons went crying to the ref...
Have you seen Simmonds face? he looks like Frankenstein

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