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04-04-2012, 02:05 PM
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We're softer, we're back to designated toughness, we have key guys not doing their jobs well (Grabner especially, Pandolfo on defensive effort, Bailey and Okposo most of the year on offense, no Haley or Zenon figure and our defensemen just don't shut opponents down and most importantly, we are weak on all check finishes this year. SOFT!).

Next year, Tavares has to have someone on his line hitting and protecting him. It won't be patty cakes on RW. It can't be Nino because he's not good at all, nevermind a top nine forward (YET!). We need a miracle (Brock Nelson blows everyone away at camp or PAP puts on 20 lbs) or a tough first line UFA. Otherwise we need Parise to take attention from JT.

As for toughness, Cappy keeps his job if he does what Chairman demands - field a soft team.

Snow has to field a CHEAP team, but any GM can do that. A decent GM spends the Rolston, Eaton, Staios, Pandolfo, Mottau and Reisoner money on far, far better players. $12M gets some good players if you take a flyer on three UFA's who aren't 40, from Boston area and washed up.

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We're softer, we're back to designated toughness, we have key guys not doing their jobs well (Grabner especially, Pandolfo on defensive effort, Bailey and Okposo most of the year on offense, no Haley or Zenon figure and our defensemen just don't shut opponents down and most importantly, we are weak on all check finishes this year. SOFT!).

Next year, Tavares has to have someone on his line hitting and protecting him. It won't be patty cakes on RW. It can't be Nino because he's not good at all, nevermind a top nine forward (YET!). We need a miracle (Brock Nelson blows everyone away at camp or PAP puts on 20 lbs) or a tough first line UFA. Otherwise we need Parise to take attention from JT.

As for toughness, Cappy keeps his job if he does what Chairman demands - field a soft team.

Snow has to field a CHEAP team, but any GM can do that. A decent GM spends the Rolston, Eaton, Staios, Pandolfo, Mottau and Reisoner money on far, far better players. $12M gets some good players if you take a flyer on three UFA's who aren't 40, from Boston area and washed up.



this organization has this crazy obsession with all things Boston.

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We're softer, we're back to designated toughness, we have key guys not doing their jobs well (Grabner especially, Pandolfo on defensive effort, Bailey and Okposo most of the year on offense, no Haley or Zenon figure and our defensemen just don't shut opponents down and most importantly, we are weak on all check finishes this year. SOFT!).

Next year, Tavares has to have someone on his line hitting and protecting him. It won't be patty cakes on RW. It can't be Nino because he's not good at all, nevermind a top nine forward (YET!). We need a miracle (Brock Nelson blows everyone away at camp or PAP puts on 20 lbs) or a tough first line UFA. Otherwise we need Parise to take attention from JT.

As for toughness, Cappy keeps his job if he does what Chairman demands - field a soft team.

Snow has to field a CHEAP team, but any GM can do that. A decent GM spends the Rolston, Eaton, Staios, Pandolfo, Mottau and Reisoner money on far, far better players. $12M gets some good players if you take a flyer on three UFA's who aren't 40, from Boston area and washed up.
Just another post of someone making it seem like you walk into Walmart and as long as you have money you just buy the player off the shelf for the price tag. WRONG! The player chooses what shopper he wants to go home with. You walk in there with your cart banged up, a squeaky wheel, and pulling to the left your cart is going to be empty. That's the NY ISLES plain and simple. So no, Snow did not have much choice on where that 12 million went....

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Im tired of inept responses by you trying to paint Wang/Snow as hero's fact remains the guy is awful and if Garth Snow were let go today can you honestly tell me another organization would hire him as a GM?
Haha, hero's? Talk about the other end of the spectrum. I'm trying to show the fact of the situation when you want to publicly hang them. You are exaggerating on both ends now.

Garth Snow has both respect and dislike from GM's across the league and many GM's have been vocal about that. One thing they all agree on is he is savvy. Just actually do some research about what other GM's and media pundits have said about Snow. I am not saying he's a hero but there are far too many GMS doing a lot worse with much better. Just look a couple posts up where the guy broke it down on cost per point. It's right there in Black and White but if you prefer fiction over facts then you should buy season tickets to the Mets bud!

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Just another post of someone making it seem like you walk into Walmart and as long as you have money you just buy the player off the shelf for the price tag. WRONG! The player chooses what shopper he wants to go home with. You walk in there with your cart banged up, a squeaky wheel, and pulling to the left your cart is going to be empty. That's the NY ISLES plain and simple. So no, Snow did not have much choice on where that 12 million went....
Sure he did. Snow gets a good player, gets better, gets a rep, makes timely trades, GAINS PLAYERS' CONFIDENCE.

What do UFA's see? Snow's Boston cronies. Wang. The team not making ANY TRADES TO IMPROVE.

Yep, no control. Sorry, but your analogy is flagrantly spin control.

Take a restaurant manager with a tightwad owner who serves sub par food because he gets great meats and decent fish but uses garbage ingredients and watered down liquor. He gets a rep. Customers are vocal and rightfully so. So he buries himself again and again after finally getting a good meat vendor and his cheap chef can't make a worthy plate.....

get where I'm going?

If Snow hires a TOP coach, we're that much more attractive.

He won't.

If he lands a Parise with an offer too good to be true, we're more attractive to a defenseman WHO WANTS TO WIN (like all NHL players who see a losing operation, not a winning team).

The actions mount. They are not isolated. Players see the direction and say we're going to be good......but we're not serious about getting better with Rolston, Boston, Chowder and Reasoner signed. So we didn't nab the big fish. Snow tried. Snow had the Islander team of 2010-11 as a bargaining chip and Erhoff wouldn't bite. I WOULDN'T. With Zenon sent packing, Martinek, Capuano held onto.....yeah, where do I sign?

Sorry, but it's either the GM's fault for the willingness of players to come there or it's something I would absolutely love to hear.

(the building? Sub par tattoos?)

I have read a few posts how it's never this or that person's fault for their job performance. When is someone accountable for the job they do? Snow is serving watered down liquor and hoping the joint looks good to UFA's, so to speak.

$12M to spend....if he blows someone away with an offer to play with Tavares, he made a step to gaining more and more respect. The following summer, we have more players willing to play here if we ever get serious about getting a coach and improving the team.

IF.

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Haha, hero's? Talk about the other end of the spectrum. I'm trying to show the fact of the situation when you want to publicly hang them. You are exaggerating on both ends now.

Garth Snow has both respect and dislike from GM's across the league and many GM's have been vocal about that. One thing they all agree on is he is savvy. Just actually do some research about what other GM's and media pundits have said about Snow. I am not saying he's a hero but there are far too many GMS doing a lot worse with much better. Just look a couple posts up where the guy broke it down on cost per point. It's right there in Black and White but if you prefer fiction over facts then you should buy season tickets to the Mets bud!
Name them.

Since Snow has been GM we've gotten to ONE playoff series (with a team her inherited), and finished bottom five every year since. Honestly at this point Milbury wouldn't be any worse (yes I went there). We all know that it's Wang pulling the strings-and not only that but that owners of this team for the past 20 years have horribly mis-managed the team (mainly because they think as owners they should be managing it).

But this doesn't disolve Snow from his duties and jobs. It absolutely makes it harder-but enough of the excuses. When is enough enough?

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Someone name me a GM with more job security than Garth. Brilliant business plan, Mr. Owner.
It would be nice if Garth could put together a winning team between golf rounds this Summer. Trade a prospect or two, and actually add a mobile defenseman or two.
Or you can save the organization money and just re-run Howie's interview with Wang next year. You might have to edit out the mention of looking for a building, but the rest of the bs never gets dated.

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Name them.

Since Snow has been GM we've gotten to ONE playoff series (with a team her inherited), and finished bottom five every year since. Honestly at this point Milbury wouldn't be any worse (yes I went there). We all know that it's Wang pulling the strings-and not only that but that owners of this team for the past 20 years have horribly mis-managed the team (mainly because they think as owners they should be managing it).

But this doesn't disolve Snow from his duties and jobs. It absolutely makes it harder-but enough of the excuses. When is enough enough?
Not really defending Garth but Toronto, Montreal and Anaheim all spring to mind. Real terrible teams who have resources Snow can only dream of.

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Not really defending Garth but Toronto, Montreal and Anaheim all spring to mind. Real terrible teams who have resources Snow can only dream of.
Well I wouldn't count Montreal. Their GM was awful-and they held him accountable. Toronto did take a step forward this year, and the Kessel trade seems not to sting as much. What resources do the Ducks have that the Isles don't?

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Not really defending Garth but Toronto, Montreal and Anaheim all spring to mind. Real terrible teams who have resources Snow can only dream of.
Burke is the only GM on par with Snows record of failure the past FIVE seasons. Anaheim has made the playoffs and won a round and Montreal fired there GM after he sucked. Snow is the worst GM in the league. The only contest is Burke, but Burke has won in the past. Its no competition Snow is the worst GM in hockey and he IS on the Milbury level of bad.

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Well I wouldn't count Montreal. Their GM was awful-and they held him accountable. Toronto did take a step forward this year, and the Kessel trade seems not to sting as much. What resources do the Ducks have that the Isles don't?
Well, for starters they've got a team with the likes of Perry, Getzlaf and Ryan and still they're as bad as the Isles. Without checking Capgeek I would assume they've spent a good deal more on their team than the Isles have.

Montreal held Gauthier accountable and rightly so. Burke has tried to make Toronto good but has failed pretty bad and there's little in terms of prospects to keep their hopes high for the future. Those type of teams with their unlimited resources should be making the playoffs every year, not be bottom dwellers like the Isles.

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Well, for starters they've got a team with the likes of Perry, Getzlaf and Ryan and still they're as bad as the Isles. Without checking Capgeek I would assume they've spent a good deal more on their team than the Isles have.

Montreal held Gauthier accountable and rightly so. Burke has tried to make Toronto good but has failed pretty bad and there's little in terms of prospects to keep their hopes high for the future. Those type of teams with their unlimited resources should be making the playoffs every year, not be bottom dwellers like the Isles.
The Ducks are a mid-range payroll team so they do have more money to work with. They did suck this season. The big fact you forgot is the Ducks made the playoffs last season, something Snow accomplished once on the back of a Milbury built team. The Ducks are much closer to the playoffs and cup than we are, just look at the players you named. They also were willing to fire a coach who was not working out, something Snow has not done recently. Burke has been a disaster in Toronto but at least he has a solid hockey resume with a cup on it. Snow is the worst GM in the league. He would make a good assistant GM to negotiate contracts with RFAs but has a GM he sucks.

We all know Wang is the worst owner in the league, we just so happen to have the worst GM in the league to go along with it.

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Actually, the worst GM must be Scott Howson. He's spent almost to the ceiling only to field the worst team seen in a pretty long time. Snow's biggest fault is that he doesn't actually try to improve the team through trades like good GMs do. Now, at least Howson and Burke tried by doing that and failed big time, but at least they've tried.

If Snow stays the present course it'll be another five or six years before all our draft picks start panning out, but if he was good at his job he'd be able to shorten that considerably by trading.

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Actually, the worst GM must be Scott Howson. He's spent almost to the ceiling only to field the worst team seen in a pretty long time. Snow's biggest fault is that he doesn't actually try to improve the team through trades like good GMs do. Now, at least Howson and Burke tried by doing that and failed big time, but at least they've tried.

If Snow stays the present course it'll be another five or six years before all our draft picks start panning out, but if he was good at his job he'd be able to shorten that considerably by trading.
Forgot about Howson, he is awful. He is so bad he makes Snow look mediocre. The draft can work but you need to do more than just purely draft and that is all Snow does. This team will be long gone/ have even more dreadful attendance if Snow stays the course.

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Actually, the worst GM must be Scott Howson. He's spent almost to the ceiling only to field the worst team seen in a pretty long time. Snow's biggest fault is that he doesn't actually try to improve the team through trades like good GMs do. Now, at least Howson and Burke tried by doing that and failed big time, but at least they've tried.

If Snow stays the present course it'll be another five or six years before all our draft picks start panning out, but if he was good at his job he'd be able to shorten that considerably by trading.
It has been said numerous times around here that Snow's hands are tied by Wang. There is an internal budget that appears to be the cap minimum (below it if you factor in the buyout salaries). If he makes trades with draft picks other salary must go out the door with them. Don't get your hopes up, because these trades aren't going to happen. Snow will not do a thing, much like his track record has proven.

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Just another post of someone making it seem like you walk into Walmart and as long as you have money you just buy the player off the shelf for the price tag. WRONG! The player chooses what shopper he wants to go home with. You walk in there with your cart banged up, a squeaky wheel, and pulling to the left your cart is going to be empty. That's the NY ISLES plain and simple. So no, Snow did not have much choice on where that 12 million went....
If Parise's best offer is 8 years, 64 million, and the Islanders offer 10 years 100 million, do you really think he wouldn't take it?

I'm sure these numbers are totally off base but the premise is the same.

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Haha, hero's? Talk about the other end of the spectrum. I'm trying to show the fact of the situation when you want to publicly hang them. You are exaggerating on both ends now.

Garth Snow has both respect and dislike from GM's across the league and many GM's have been vocal about that. One thing they all agree on is he is savvy. Just actually do some research about what other GM's and media pundits have said about Snow. I am not saying he's a hero but there are far too many GMS doing a lot worse with much better. Just look a couple posts up where the guy broke it down on cost per point. It's right there in Black and White but if you prefer fiction over facts then you should buy season tickets to the Mets bud!
Ofcourse GM's are going to be respectful to one another.. They keep there hatred internal because its a business. I hate some people I do business with but there consistent and the checks clear!

No one is going to publicly bash a fellow GM, its bad business.

Like I said earlier - If Garth Snow was fired today. Can you honestly say that a team would run and hire him with his proven track record of success?

As for the Mets bud, Im a Yankee fan. The Islanders are the only team I root for in which its management can be compared to a Lewis Carrol novel.

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If Parise's best offer is 8 years, 64 million, and the Islanders offer 10 years 100 million, do you really think he wouldn't take it?

I'm sure these numbers are totally off base but the premise is the same.
If Parise gets a real offer of 8/64 or a Snow "we're interested" gesture that isn't a real offer and no one ever gets an answer about it offer from the Isles of maybe 10/100 depending on Botta or whoever leaks it, kinda Eklund style, I believe he takes MORE money and goes elsewhere for less.

Kovalchuk did.

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If Parise's best offer is 8 years, 64 million, and the Islanders offer 10 years 100 million, do you really think he wouldn't take it?

I'm sure these numbers are totally off base but the premise is the same.
Depends on where the first offer is from. It's not as easy as looking at the amount per year and going with that. Long Island's cost of living is very high-and so are the taxes. Also let's not forget the Isles play in the worst building in the NHL (and maybe in North American sports), and the future of the team is in doubt. Why sign for 10 years when you don't know where the team will be in 4?

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Parise isn't coming here. If you think he might then you need to snap out of it. I forget the quote, but he said he won't be entertaining any offers from any laughingstocks, essentially.

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Thinkin Parise will come here is like expecting to win the national lottery. It doesn't matter how much the Isles offer as he wants win more than make a few extra millions

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Thinkin Parise will come here is like expecting to win the national lottery. It doesn't matter how much the Isles offer as he wants win more than make a few extra millions
This is where a smart GM with the ability to sell comes in and talks to a player like Parise or Nash or Weber and they talk about how there the missing piece to the puzzle.

When Mark Texiera was a FA, Every team wanted him. The Yankees made a huge video presentation and explained to him Why they want him! Why he is a missing piece to there offense and why they believe he belongs in pin stripes. Now I hate to use baseball references and compare the Yankees to the Islanders but smart GM's know how to sell regardless of the sport.

Another reason why Garth Snow is awful!! Dont just throw a blank check at a player.. sit down and talk to him and explain the direction we are going and why we want you in Uniondale.

Hey Zack, you say you want to win? well you can go to Detroit but let me tell you about the things going on here in Long Island and why you matter to us.

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This is where a smart GM with the ability to sell comes in and talks to a player like Parise or Nash or Weber and they talk about how there the missing piece to the puzzle.

When Mark Texiera was a FA, Every team wanted him. The Yankees made a huge video presentation and explained to him Why they want him! Why he is a missing piece to there offense and why they believe he belongs in pin stripes. Now I hate to use baseball references and compare the Yankees to the Islanders but smart GM's know how to sell regardless of the sport.
They're also the Yankees, a first-class organization and perennial contender... much like the Detroit team you cited later on. They don't need to work hard to sell themselves. The Islanders, on the other hand... their history speaks for itself, and I ain't talking about the early 80s. Any smart player is gonna realize he alone isn't the "missing piece" to a team that's been in the draft lottery for years now.

A big check and some sweet talk from Garth won't lure anyone interested in success. This team needs to change its entire business strategy and demonstrate that they're trying to build a winner, not claim they are while assembling the cheapest team they possibly can without getting fined by the league.

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Our players don't seem to care about winning. They win 2 in a row then go on vacation. They have the attention span of a gnat. If that isn't a coaching deficiency, I don't know what it is. But Wang isn't trying to win games, so I don't expect any change.

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They're also the Yankees, a first-class organization and perennial contender... much like the Detroit team you cited later on. They don't need to work hard to sell themselves. The Islanders, on the other hand... their history speaks for itself, and I ain't talking about the early 80s. Any smart player is gonna realize he alone isn't the "missing piece" to a team that's been in the draft lottery for years now.

A big check and some sweet talk from Garth won't lure anyone interested in success. This team needs to change its entire business strategy and demonstrate that they're trying to build a winner, not claim they are while assembling the cheapest team they possibly can without getting fined by the league.
I completely agree with you on that!

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