And if the roles were reversed you'd be ok with it? Rinaldo drilling James Neal in the final minute of a blowout would not have bugged Bylsma one bit, right?
Jumping and screaming on the bench like a banshee after a player throws a clean hit? I highly doubt it.
If James Neal was drilled cleanly in the last minute of a blowout I would wonder why the **** he was out there.
The main board is in playoff form already.
*dingdingding* we have a winner.
Briere only has his moron coach to blame for sending him out with a minute left in a three goal game.
What is the educational system like in Philly that some cannot add 2+2 and come up with 4? The concept really is not that difficult. In a chippy game where a star player has just been targetted, you keep your top players off the ice and let the clock run out. If the situation was reversed and Bylsma had Malkin and Crosby out trying to pile on the score and one of them got injured, I would be livid, and not at the Flyers.
As an aside, I really need to separate what I read here at HF and the actual team. Confusing what the Flyers are about, which granted I am not especially thrilled with but still, confusing them with things some of the lesser lights on the Christmas tree say here and especially elsewhere at HF is not really a fair exercise. It is not easy to not have it color my thoughts about the team and the entire fan base though. But I at least am trying to not let it.
Funny thing is Briere/Schenn/Simmonds isn't your top line it's your second and I wouldn't mind Rinald going after Staal/Cooke or Kennedy because they're all beasts and can take a hit unlike Schenn and Briere and Simmonds. Also I would have been bugged because Rinaldo is a dirty player and if he hit Neal it would of been a head-shot, how much head-shots does Rinaldo have in the season anyways? That's my point right there, Rinaldo and Joe Vitale are two different players.
I'm sure Giroux asked Lavvy why he had been demoted to the second line.
worth noting that both briere and grossman are now out with injuries (both are day-to-day i think) after clean hits by vitale.
that is unfortunate, but long term that could be good news for the penguins.
Supposedly they should be available for the playoffs, but I have no clue how anyone can say that. If the injury is serious enough to miss the rest of the season, I doubt there is some magical cutoff point that they can predict to the day when they will be back.
If James Neal was drilled cleanly in the last minute of a blowout I would wonder why the **** he was out there.
Exactly.
Lav screwed this up. He should have known the Pens were going to put grinders on the ice the last couple minutes when the Flyers got up by 3 goals. It blows my mind that he didn't seem to know that. It's not like Bylsma was going to put guys like Crosby, Malkin, Neal etc. out there and risk them getting injured in the last few meaningless minutes of a game that was decided. The only way those guys were getting back on the ice was if there was a PP situation.
Lav should have put grinders like Talbot on the ice for the last couple minutes after they got that EN goal and went up by 3. Instead he put Briere out there against some Pens grinders and that's on him for putting Briere in a bad spot.
Being up 6-3 with about 90 seconds left,,,yeah, you put your grinders and 4th liners in unless your porpose is too rub it in someones face, which lavi was trying too do imo.
Hard to believe this thread is still up and running, and that so many Flyer fans have taken to camping out on this board. Getting hyped up for the playoffs, I guess. So, what happens if the Pens win their last three, and the Rangers lose their last three? If instead of facing us, they have to play the Rangers in the first round?
I agree DegenX, the flyer trolls need something to talk about, I guess it is their 15 minutes of fame lol. It is funny most of the post are in defense of their coach and not their players. It must be tough always being the red headed step child to the Pens
I agree DegenX, the flyer trolls need something to talk about, I guess it is their 15 minutes of fame lol. It is funny most of the post are in defense of their coach and not their players. It must be tough always being the red headed step child to the Pens
On that note why do so many Flyers players have red hair?
I know that this is the Pens boards but I just thought I would share my perspective as a flyers fan because there seems to be some misunderstandings... Having home ice advantage means more than fan support, it means that after stoppages in play, the home team is the last team to make a line change. This gives the home team the ability to matchup lines to their opponents (i.e. putting a checking line with the visiting teams scoring line). So from Lavi's perspective, and a flyers fans perspective, Bylsma sent his goons out there against one of our scoring lines in a 6-3 game with under a minute remaining, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, instead of putting one of his scoring lines out there to try and win the game (pens did score again). Not saying that Briere shouldn't have his head up out there or that the hit was dirty at all, but I hope it is more obvious to see where Lavi, the Flyers and their fan base's frustration comes from. Bottom line, it looked like a dick move on Bylma's part. But in the end I'm kinda glad it happened... great entertainment!
I know that this is the Pens boards but I just thought I would share my perspective as a flyers fan because there seems to be some misunderstandings... Having home ice advantage means more than fan support, it means that after stoppages in play, the home team is the last team to make a line change. This gives the home team the ability to matchup lines to their opponents (i.e. putting a checking line with the visiting teams scoring line). So from Lavi's perspective, and a flyers fans perspective, Bylsma sent his goons out there against one of our scoring lines in a 6-3 game with under a minute remaining, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, instead of putting one of his scoring lines out there to try and win the game (pens did score again). Not saying that Briere shouldn't have his head up out there or that the hit was dirty at all, but I hope it is more obvious to see where Lavi, the Flyers and their fan base's frustration comes from. Bottom line, it looked like a dick move on Bylma's part. But in the end I'm kinda glad it happened... great entertainment!
You have to put your line on first, but why not put grinders on? Talbot, etc? And even if you have a brainfart and put Briere and similar on, and then see that the Pens put grinders on, just have them leave the ice and three seconds later put your fourth line on.
I fail to see:
a) How this is not entirely on the Flyers's coach for being a moron, then blaming someone else for his idiocy.
b) what is wrong with putting your fourth line out there? The Flyers have been trying to end Crosby's career since he entered the league. He had several teeth knocked out his first game there and then your coach and media called him a diver. Just because the Pens were not dumb enough to put a key player out when the Flyers had been taking liberties all game (hello, cheap shot cross check to Crosby when he was heading to the bench only a minute or so before), well that makes them smart. And your coach dumb.
c) explain again what the problem with putting a fourth line out again. Because none of us get the problem with it, for reasons said a hundred times but obviously people from Philly have trouble getting simple concepts.
Since the 2004-05 lockout, there have been 90 series played to determine the 6 Stanley Cup victors. Teams separated by 10 or fewer points in the regular season standings have met 53 times.
The team with home-ice “advantage” is just 27-26 (.509) in those series.
Even when home-ice is really supposed to matter, in a Game 7, the home team is just 12-12 (.500) in those Game 7’s.
Since the 2004-05 lockout, there have been 90 series played to determine the 6 Stanley Cup victors. Teams separated by 10 or fewer points in the regular season standings have met 53 times.
The team with home-ice “advantage” is just 27-26 (.509) in those series.
Even when home-ice is really supposed to matter, in a Game 7, the home team is just 12-12 (.500) in those Game 7’s.
It's so odd to see these stats because it does/doesn't play such an important part.
We went 3-0 and 0-3 against Detroit in 09. Then... out of nowhere it doesn't matter for Game 7. Same thing started the Caps series. 0-2 and then 2-0.
I really don't know what to believe. I don't think we win Game 6 in Pittsburgh against Detroit if it wasn't the insane momentum boost from the crowd. I just don't.
I know that this is the Pens boards but I just thought I would share my perspective as a flyers fan because there seems to be some misunderstandings... Having home ice advantage means more than fan support, it means that after stoppages in play, the home team is the last team to make a line change. This gives the home team the ability to matchup lines to their opponents (i.e. putting a checking line with the visiting teams scoring line). So from Lavi's perspective, and a flyers fans perspective, Bylsma sent his goons out there against one of our scoring lines in a 6-3 game with under a minute remaining, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, instead of putting one of his scoring lines out there to try and win the game (pens did score again). Not saying that Briere shouldn't have his head up out there or that the hit was dirty at all, but I hope it is more obvious to see where Lavi, the Flyers and their fan base's frustration comes from. Bottom line, it looked like a dick move on Bylma's part. But in the end I'm kinda glad it happened... great entertainment!
It was manufactured ire, and nothing more than theatrics.
Our 4th line is just a 4th line. It wasn't like Jersey starting the game out with 3 fighters. The game was over, and DB put his 4th liners out to finish the game. Calling Vitale and Adams goons is pretty laughable, and Asham's a hard nosed player, but good enough skill wise that Laviolette used Asham 20 minutes a night during a lot of their Cup run a couple years ago.
I remember a game against Montreal last year (the day Richards got flustered with Subban) where in a 3-0 game the Habs were winning, Laviolette put Shelley on the PP with 2 minutes left in it. I remember it as clear as day, and Shelley first took a shot at (Eller?) and then Moen and eventually got a penalty. Powe was out there for that PP as well.
I know that this is the Pens boards but I just thought I would share my perspective as a flyers fan because there seems to be some misunderstandings... Having home ice advantage means more than fan support, it means that after stoppages in play, the home team is the last team to make a line change. This gives the home team the ability to matchup lines to their opponents (i.e. putting a checking line with the visiting teams scoring line). So from Lavi's perspective, and a flyers fans perspective, Bylsma sent his goons out there against one of our scoring lines in a 6-3 game with under a minute remaining, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, instead of putting one of his scoring lines out there to try and win the game (pens did score again). Not saying that Briere shouldn't have his head up out there or that the hit was dirty at all, but I hope it is more obvious to see where Lavi, the Flyers and their fan base's frustration comes from. Bottom line, it looked like a dick move on Bylma's part. But in the end I'm kinda glad it happened... great entertainment!
Did you see what happened to Briere?
That is exactly why Crosby, Malkin, Staal and their lines were not out there.
It is pretty simple.
Even the most biased and unreasonable Flyer fan should be able to understand that. Your coach made an idiotic decision and then threw a hissy fit....
If DB was that stupid and one of the Pens stars got hurt I would be pissed as **** at him...
I know that this is the Pens boards but I just thought I would share my perspective as a flyers fan because there seems to be some misunderstandings... Having home ice advantage means more than fan support, it means that after stoppages in play, the home team is the last team to make a line change. This gives the home team the ability to matchup lines to their opponents (i.e. putting a checking line with the visiting teams scoring line). So from Lavi's perspective, and a flyers fans perspective, Bylsma sent his goons out there against one of our scoring lines in a 6-3 game with under a minute remaining, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, instead of putting one of his scoring lines out there to try and win the game (pens did score again). Not saying that Briere shouldn't have his head up out there or that the hit was dirty at all, but I hope it is more obvious to see where Lavi, the Flyers and their fan base's frustration comes from. Bottom line, it looked like a dick move on Bylma's part. But in the end I'm kinda glad it happened... great entertainment!
It was manufactured ire, and nothing more than theatrics.
Our 4th line is just a 4th line. It wasn't like Jersey starting the game out with 3 fighters. The game was over, and DB put his 4th liners out to finish the game. Calling Vitale and Adams goons is pretty laughable, and Asham's a hard nosed player, but good enough skill wise that Laviolette used Asham 20 minutes a night during a lot of their Cup run a couple years ago.
I remember a game against Montreal last year (the day Richards got flustered with Subban) where in a 3-0 game the Habs were winning, Laviolette put Shelley on the PP with 2 minutes left in it. I remember it as clear as day, and Shelley first took a shot at (Eller?) and then Moen and eventually got a penalty. Powe was out there for that PP as well.
This is the bit that seems to be flying under the radar for most Flyers fans. We aren't exactly icing a 4th line of MacIntyre, Godard and Laraque out there. It's three guys who all play a role in other facets of the game. One of which(Asham) who can also handle himself in a fight, but is pretty far from an enforcer. Engelland was on the ice, but again, we're talking about a guy that takes a regular shift. Were the Pens supposed to double shift Malkin and Crosby for the last 5 minutes to please Laviolette's delicate sensibilities? Give me a break. This "they put their goons out there!!" outrage is so ridiculous that it's almost bordering on comical. Sorry Flyers fans, your guy got hurt by a perfectly clean hit. It sucks, but it happens. No need to start throwing your toys out of the crib.
