I disagee immensely. I believe Hopkins is the better center by a fair margin. I also believe Hall is the better LW by a fair margin.
The biggest problems I see with the Oilers are size-grit. Lands is going to be bigger-stronger than Hall. Hall is clearly injury-prone and reckless, so will likely have a shortened carrer. Lands doesn't have Halls skill, but he has an incredible two way game. I'd rather have his 80 games a year, than 60 of Hall. In both of the last 2 years, had we made the playoffs ... Hall wouldn't of participated.
With Sequin, he doesn't have the vision of RNH, that is clear. But he is bigger, stronger and just as shifty. RNH has allready shown that he is a bit fragile. Hopefully its not a trend, but in the long run, and in the new NHL where rats are allowed to run skill and take-em-out with impunity; it is clear this kid will start sustaining injuries.
The league is just full of bigger, stonger players, and lots of rats; so to build your team arund small and reckless players may be a mistake.
Time will tell, hopefully I'm wrong, but that's the way I see it.
BTW, Jimmi is just a troll ... I suggest you ignore him like I have.
The biggest problems I see with the Oilers are size-grit. Lands is going to be bigger-stronger than Hall. Hall is clearly injury-prone and reckless, so will likely have a shortened carrer. Lands doesn't have Halls skill, but he has an incredible two way game. I'd rather have his 80 games a year, than 60 of Hall. In both of the last 2 years, had we made the playoffs ... Hall wouldn't of participated.
With Sequin, he doesn't have the vision of RNH, that is clear. But he is bigger, stronger and just as shifty. RNH has allready shown that he is a bit fragile. Hopefully its not a trend, but in the long run, and in the new NHL where rats are allowed to run skill and take-em-out with impunity; it is clear this kid will start sustaining injuries.
The league is just full of bigger, stonger players, and lots of rats; so to build your team arund small and reckless players may be a mistake.
Time will tell, hopefully I'm wrong, but that's the way I see it.
BTW, Jimmi is just a troll ... I suggest you ignore him like I have.
I'm not sure about that. If we were in a playoff push right now, Hall would be on the ice. The only reason he's having the surgery now, is because of the timeline and our current situation...
The biggest problems I see with the Oilers are size-grit. Lands is going to be bigger-stronger than Hall. Hall is clearly injury-prone and reckless, so will likely have a shortened carrer. Lands doesn't have Halls skill, but he has an incredible two way game. I'd rather have his 80 games a year, than 60 of Hall. In both of the last 2 years, had we made the playoffs ... Hall wouldn't of participated.
With Sequin, he doesn't have the vision of RNH, that is clear. But he is bigger, stronger and just as shifty. RNH has allready shown that he is a bit fragile. Hopefully its not a trend, but in the long run, and in the new NHL where rats are allowed to run skill and take-em-out with impunity; it is clear this kid will start sustaining injuries.
The league is just full of bigger, stonger players, and lots of rats; so to build your team arund small and reckless players may be a mistake.
Time will tell, hopefully I'm wrong, but that's the way I see it.
BTW, Jimmi is just a troll ... I suggest you ignore him like I have.
Jimmi is far from a troll than the guys who want to boycott the Oilers and burn their season tickets.
I disagee immensely. I believe Hopkins is the better center by a fair margin. I also believe Hall is the better LW by a fair margin.
They may well be right now. But the verdict is definitely still out.
There is no guarantee that either guy will have better careers than Seguin or Landeskog.
It's not an unreasonable position to take, really.
I was thinking about it today before I saw this post. Landeskog is facing the top opposition, killing penalties, playing the body hard, and scoring 50+ points in his rookie season, on what is potentially a playoff team in Colorado.
I can only think of a couple players in the league of that ilk, and I have to assume that Landeskog will only get better at all of those tangibles.
So will RNH, but Landeskog is looking like he could be a mix of Ryan Kesler and Datsyuk, but on the wing.
RNH is looking like he'll be a Sedin-like winger with better defensive acumen, so maybe a little bit of Datsyuk sprinkled in for him.
If, in their primes, RNH is scoring 90 points and playing on the 2nd PK unit while facing the 2nd best opposition where Landeskog is scoring 80 points while playing on the first PK unit, leading in hits, and facing top opposition, in that case I'd rather have Landy.
That said, it's all speculation at this point. I am very happy with RNH and Hall, I'm just saying that you can't judge who will have the best career after 2 (or 1) seasons.
The biggest problems I see with the Oilers are size-grit. Lands is going to be bigger-stronger than Hall. Hall is clearly injury-prone and reckless, so will likely have a shortened carrer. Lands doesn't have Halls skill, but he has an incredible two way game. I'd rather have his 80 games a year, than 60 of Hall. In both of the last 2 years, had we made the playoffs ... Hall wouldn't of participated.
With Sequin, he doesn't have the vision of RNH, that is clear. But he is bigger, stronger and just as shifty. RNH has allready shown that he is a bit fragile. Hopefully its not a trend, but in the long run, and in the new NHL where rats are allowed to run skill and take-em-out with impunity; it is clear this kid will start sustaining injuries.
The league is just full of bigger, stonger players, and lots of rats; so to build your team arund small and reckless players may be a mistake.
Time will tell, hopefully I'm wrong, but that's the way I see it.
BTW, Jimmi is just a troll ... I suggest you ignore him like I have.
It's easy to assume these things given hindsight, but big strong guys can get sidelined indefinitely too. The Oilers really had no choice but to draft the overwhelming consensus number one players at the time. They've been burnt by off the wall selections in the past and bad picks that they had to play the safe route.
Hopefully, they can draft a big talented Center this time around.
I'm not sure about that. If we were in a playoff push right now, Hall would be on the ice. The only reason he's having the surgery now, is because of the timeline and our current situation...
Remember his concussion. Didn't he take a step backwards on that as well?
Jimmi is far from a troll than the guys who want to boycott the Oilers and burn their season tickets.
Does that ring a bell?
Do you work for the Oilers?
I guess your post makes you a troll.
Also I'm glad your happy with the Oilers cellar dwelling. I have season tickets and went to 5 or 6 games this year. I support the team financially, but that doesn't mean I have to like management. Just like you - I have a right to an opinion. Just happens mine make sense, yours are just as stupid as your post.
When RNH was drafted, almost universally, scouts didn't believe that RNH should play in the NHL this season, and yet still they thought that he was the clear number one choice. Why? Simply put: he's on a completely different trajectory than Landeskog. Landeskog is a good player, there's no deny, and he's had a great season, it's true. Saying that the Oiler's should have drafted Landeskog over RNH is ridiculous, after the first season is ludicrous. RNH has the best on ice vision and smarts that anyone on this team has had since Gretzky.
It's easy to assume these things given hindsight, but big strong guys can get sidelined indefinitely too. The Oilers really had no choice but to draft the overwhelming consensus number one players at the time. They've been burnt by off the wall selections in the past and bad picks that they had to play the safe route.
Hopefully, they can draft a big talented Center this time around.
Hall wasn't the consensus, in fact many had Sequin as the better player in the long run. It was a toss up and still is.
Hopefully the Oilers start drafting some grit this year. Watching the NHL let absolutely everything go the last few months means we are headed back to the late 90's style game.
Hall wasn't the consensus, in fact many had Sequin as the better player in the long run. It was a toss up and still is.
Hopefully the Oilers start drafting some grit this year. Watching the NHL let absolutely everything go the last few months means we are headed back to the late 90's style game.
con·sen·sus [kuhn-sen-suhs] noun, plural -sus·es.
1. majority of opinion: The consensus of the group was that they should meet twice a month. [Source: http://dictionary.reference.com]
Hall clearly had consensus of the scouting world at the time that he was picked and very likely still does.
Also I'm glad your happy with the Oilers cellar dwelling. I have season tickets and went to 5 or 6 games this year. I support the team financially, but that doesn't mean I have to like management. Just like you - I have a right to an opinion. Just happens mine make sense, yours are just as stupid as your post.
I don't see how working for the Oilers or not makes me a troll.
I'm not happy with the Oilers being cellar dwellars, but at least I don't threaten to burn my tickets when the team isn't performing well. Because that would be pretty dumb. And doesn't make much sense.
If you are so upset, why not go cheer on for Seguin and Landeskog. You know, on other teams. Nothing is preventing you for doing so. Wouldn't it make more sense?
Plus, time is beginning to show in each of those years, the 2nd overall pick may have been the smarter choice. Don't get me wrong, I love Hall + RNH; I just believe Sequin+Lands would be a better pair for the new NHL. Bigger, stronger, tougher ... With similar skill level.
That is sacreligious stuff your spewing there. Kudos for having the balls to go there though. If it were up to me I'd have loved a RNH/Lands combo but that would have been impossible.
con·sen·sus [kuhn-sen-suhs] noun, plural -sus·es.
1. majority of opinion: The consensus of the group was that they should meet twice a month. [Source: http://dictionary.reference.com]
Hall clearly had consensus of the scouting world at the time that he was picked and very likely still does.
Hmm, who did the Nhl and cenrtral scouting have ranked 1st?
Promoting people who are performing well into positions where they are not qualified for is the epitaph of corporate failure. Just double his salary instead please.
Plus, time is beginning to show in each of those years, the 2nd overall pick may have been the smarter choice. Don't get me wrong, I love Hall + RNH; I just believe Sequin+Lands would be a better pair for the new NHL. Bigger, stronger, tougher ... With similar skill level.
How is Seguin bigger, tougher and stronger than Hall?
Promoting people who are performing well into positions where they are not qualified for is the epitaph of corporate failure. Just double his salary instead please.
Yea but it's not like he would be completely new to it. He's been a GM in the WHL and he is apart of decision making on trades/signings etc..
When RNH was drafted, almost universally, scouts didn't believe that RNH should play in the NHL this season, and yet still they thought that he was the clear number one choice. Why? Simply put: he's on a completely different trajectory than Landeskog. Landeskog is a good player, there's no deny, and he's had a great season, it's true. Saying that the Oiler's should have drafted Landeskog over RNH is ridiculous, after the first season is ludicrous. RNH has the best on ice vision and smarts that anyone on this team has had since Gretzky.
To be fair, Dougie Weight in his prime had some of the best vision in the game. Keep in mind his lack of supporting cast.
Even Hemmer has displayed an uncanny vision on the ice.
Not saying that Nuge won't eclipse those guys, but suggesting his vision is already better is a bit premature.
Frankly, if Nuge has a career, offensively, like Weight, while becoming a top-notch shut down center, I will be happy. I don't need him to be leading the league in points every year to consider him a successful pick.
Hmm, who did the Nhl and cenrtral scouting have ranked 1st?
Hall. The Tyler vs. Taylor debate was all hype. Hall was memorial cup MVP two years in a row, that's huge! He's a winner, it's a shame he plays for such a terrible organization. I just pray one day this team gets their **** together, they make it really hard to be a fan.
I think your really underestimating Stu's value to the organization here. Sure Hall and RNH are slam dunks, but Eberle, Marincin, Gernat, Pitlick, Hartikainen,MPS, Lander,Bunz,Klefbom, musil and Reider seems to be a gargantuan hall for 2008-2011. I would not make him general manager, but I would sure give this guy a raise.
I don't think Pitlick is much of anything. Bunz, the jury is always out on goalies. We'll see how the D men turn out.
Keep Stu as head scout. He really has done a fantastic job so far. I was looking over his past draft picks to see if he has any particular draft tendencies, and as I tried to look at his picks without the benefit of hindsight, I've been really impressed.
2008 Draft
Jordan Eberle
Funny now how people think this pick was a no-brainer at the time. It wasn't. The Oilers liked him, true, but at the time, the following players were all available AND listed as better prospects than Eberle by ISS, CSB, and TSN.
- Mattias Tedenby (same size as Eberle, so he wasn't not drafted due to size)
- Colby Robak (also from the WHL)
- John Carlson
- Greg Nemisz (bigger and stronger, gritty forward)
Instead, Stu went "off the board" and selected Eberle. With a late 1st rounder, Carlson would have been a great pick. Nemisz could have played for the Oilers. But none of these players has come close to having the impact Eberle has.
Teemu Hartikainen
Finding a big, strong winger with grit and an NHL skill level in the 6th round = WIN
2009
Magnus Paajarvi
Went with the consensus here. Really, unless Stu was going to go COMPLETELY off the board with a top-10 pick, the only other available option was Kulikov (hmmm... a Russian who played in the QMJHL wasn't picked). I'm pretty sure 90% of the rest of the GMs in the league make the same pick.
Anton Lander
Completely off-the-board pick that has turned out. Other players that were ranked as being better by ISS, CSB, and TSN and were still available when the Oilers picked:
- Drew Shore
- Stefan Elliott
- Jeremy Morin
- Joonas Nattinen
- Charles-Olivier Roussel
- Richard Panik
- Ethan Werek
- Zac Budish
Out of that list, Elliott, Shore and Morin are the only ones that are even in the same class as Lander.
2010
Taylor Hall
Again, more of a no-brainer than people thought at the time. The only ones picking Seguin over Hall were CSB, and there were reports the Bruins desperately wanted to move up to select Hall.
Tyler Pitlick
Again, a no-brainer. The only other options were Jon Merrill (character concerns), John McFarland (character concerns), and Tyler Toffoli (who they must really not have liked since they drafted both Pitlick and Marincin ahead of).
Martin Marincin / Curtis Hamilton
Both picks completely off-the-board. While neither has had any kind of NHL impact yet, if the draft were to be re-done today, both would go higher.
Tyler Bunz
Could be the Oilers' future starter. Even if he isn't, an absolute steal in the 5th round.
2011
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Looking back, more of a no-brainer than it seemed at the time. Ranked #1 overall by every scouting service, and a western Canadian kid from the WHL.
Hmm, who did the Nhl and cenrtral scouting have ranked 1st?
Seguin was clearly better than Hall when he played so well for team Canada in the WJC.
In fairness, although Taylor Hall was the clear No. 1 choice, but Seguin was a close second, although Seguin didn't really make a case for himself until about the middle of their draft year, when he came on fairly strong. In the two years prior Hall was building his case as the best player of his age group. Hall was consensus number one pick going into the 2010 draft. I really don't know how you could argue otherwise. The only reason that Seguin was in the conversation was that people were speculating on Edmonton's glaring need for a centreman. Even still, Hall was the clear choice for top pick, and Edmonton chose him.
Seguin was clearly better than Hall when he played so well for team Canada in the WJC.
In fairness, although Taylor Hall was the clear No. 1 choice, but Seguin was a close second, although Seguin didn't really make a case for himself until about the middle of their draft year, when he came on fairly strong. In the two years prior Hall was building his case as the best player of his age group. Hall was consensus number one pick going into the 2010 draft. I really don't know how you could argue otherwise. The only reason that Seguin was in the conversation was that people were speculating on Edmonton's glaring need for a centreman. Even still, Hall was the clear choice for top pick, and Edmonton chose him.
Lots of revisionist history here. It was way closer than you make it out. The Oil change episodes even show it is something like 6 votes to 5 amongst Oil management and scouts; while central scouting ranked Sequin number 1, after there scouts voted7 to 6. The word from many scouts was Hall was better attbe time, but Sequin had far more upside. Regardless, i believe Hall is a super star,my orignal point was Hall-RNH may not be as good as Sequin-Lands .... In the long run. Plus the later combination is likely grittier, less prone to injury and better suited to the latest version of the NHL.
