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04-01-2012, 05:03 PM
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It's not that confusing.

He does not think Malkin was the most valuable player to his team. But he thinks he will be voted as the Hart trophy winner. Almost everybody does (even those who don't think he should win it).

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wow man i think you're on to something here!

Those guys are ALL WAY MORE VALUABLE than Malkin.
Yes, without a doubt. Landeskog, Kopitar, Thornton or Karlsson.

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Yes, without a doubt. Landeskog, Kopitar, Thornton or Karlsson.
Guess you weren't watching many Penguins games this winter.

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Malkin deserves and should get it. Will get the Art Ross too.

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Guess you weren't watching many Penguins games this winter.
What an insipid comment.

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Malkin deserves and should get it. Will get the Art Ross too.
according to what principle? that "he scores teh most pointz!!11!1" ?

It's my hope to advance the conversation towards something more sophisticated and grounded in reality.

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according to what principle? that "he scores teh most pointz!!11!1" ?

It's my hope to advance the conversation towards something more sophisticated and grounded in reality.
What's your opinion Gretzky or datsyuk? couse you know points mean nothing in hockey!!!

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according to what principle? that "he scores teh most pointz!!11!1" ?

It's my hope to advance the conversation towards something more sophisticated and grounded in reality.

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04-01-2012, 05:18 PM
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Not malkin. People don't understand that he is extremely sheltered. He is a specialist. His defense is garbage.

Give it to a player who deserves it. Someone like Karlsson or Kopitar or Landeskog. These guys don't just have everything handed to them on a silver platter. They go against all odds and adversity to lift their team up by the boot straps.
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What's your opinion Gretzky or datsyuk? couse you know points mean nothing in hockey!!!
I can say that Coffey was probably overrated over his career.

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Two loses in crucial games to the lowly New York Islanders suggest to me that the leagues Best Player or Most Valuable Player does not currently wear a Penguins jersey.

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I can say that Coffey was probably overrated over his career.
So Gretzky or Datsuyk?

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Two loses in crucial games to the lowly New York Islanders suggest to me that the leagues Best Player or Most Valuable Player does not currently wear a Penguins jersey.
Wow...i don't even know what to say.

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Huh. So I guess the "Scott Gomez > Hank Sedin because of zone starts" brigade are picking on Malkin, now.

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Wow...i don't even know what to say.
So crashing and burning down the stretch doesn't change the opinion of the voters for awards like this?????..i don't even know what to say.

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Two loses in crucial games to the lowly New York Islanders suggest to me that the leagues Best Player or Most Valuable Player does not currently wear a Penguins jersey.
I admit, I usually can't tell if you're serious or not.

what you're trying to say is that a hockey team lost a couple of hockey games? who woulda thunk it?

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What an insipid comment.
Sorry, if you are going to say something so completely ludicrous don't expect much texture in the replies you receive.

You are completely wrong. Explain how a rookie with twenty goals has more value than a guy who carried his team back up the standings while playing at a two points per game clip when the next two best offensive players on his team were injured. Or maybe you should look at insipid as a compliment and not throw out ridiculous claims for the sake of being different or "interesting".

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according to what principle? that "he scores teh most pointz!!11!1" ?

It's my hope to advance the conversation towards something more sophisticated and grounded in reality.
Yes, thats exactly why. Because he not only has the most points, but has the most points by a large margin. Not to mention he missed quite a few games. You really can't fathom why he should win it?

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according to what principle? that "he scores teh most pointz!!11!1" ?

It's my hope to advance the conversation towards something more sophisticated and grounded in reality.
The Art Ross is awarded to the player with the most points at the end of the regular season. He's on 104 the nearest player is Stamkos on 92. That's nearly his.

The MVP should go to Malkin as he carried the mantel when Crosby was out and has been an offensive juggernaut throughout the season. He has has big games often and his line has been the highest scoring this season. Without Malkin, I dread to think were Pittsburgh would be.

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I admit, I usually can't tell if you're serious or not.

what you're trying to say is that a hockey team lost a couple of hockey games? who woulda thunk it?
When people go to vote and the end of the season what games are most fresh in their mind?

There are enough players eligible for serious consideration that I believe a bad ending to the season could be enough to make a voter choice one player over another.

If Lundqvist pulls out of his slump as it appears he has and lead the Rangers to the President's trophy I believe that will be enough for the majority of voters to see him as the league MVP.

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So crashing and burning down the stretch doesn't change the opinion of the voters for awards like this?????..i don't even know what to say.
So everything Malkin accomplished this season should go in the trash because the Penguins lost twice to the Islanders? Oh boy.

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When people go to vote and the end of the season what games are most fresh in their mind?

There are enough players eligible for serious consideration that I believe a bad ending to the season could be enough to make a voter choice one player over another.

If Lundqvist pulls out of his slump as it appears he has and lead the Rangers to the President's trophy I believe that will be enough for the majority of voters to see him as the league MVP.
oh, the Lundqvist argument again... nevermind.

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When people go to vote and the end of the season what games are most fresh in their mind?

There are enough players eligible for serious consideration that I believe a bad ending to the season could be enough to make a voter choice one player over another.

If Lundqvist pulls out of his slump as it appears he has and lead the Rangers to the President's trophy I believe that will be enough for the majority of voters to see him as the league MVP.
If you're going to introduce goaltenders into the MVP conversation, you would need to explain how Lundqvist can be adjudged to be more valuable to an otherwise excellent Rangers team than Quick has been to a King's team that generates nearly no goal support. I just don't see how such a case can exist.

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So everything Malkin accomplished this season should go in the trash because the Penguins lost twice to the Islanders? Oh boy.
When did I say that?

I stated a bad finish to the season could see voters choicing another player with their first place vote.

That isn't taking antrhing away from a very good season. Not sure how you can't understand that.

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Don't much care. I'm happy about the Art Ross, though, as it is an objective standard.

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