You're right, I don't. I am commenting on it in the here and now, which is all any of us can do. I assume you think I'm bashing the Scheifele pick but I'm a fan of Scheifele, especially his positive attitude which is too rare among young star athletes. However, my honest opinion is a better draft strategy is to target the consensus top picks and, if they fall to you, take them and run.
And leave that poor horse alone.
So take who most people THINK is the better player instead of who YOU think is the better player regardless of who is right or wrong?
He wasn't even our pick. And if you're going to use guys that weren't our pick then why not use Ladd?
He wasn't our pick? Wow I did not know that.
You can include Ladd , and Wheeler was acquired not by signing him as a pricey FA.
The point is , whether anyone wants to believe it or think it right , this team has told everyone how it intends to build the franchise. Through a core of drafted players , add judiciously with support players and when/if the team is playing at a very good level that a deep , realistic playoff run and challenge for the Stanley Cup is legitimately there, then they will not be adverse to adding a premium player that costs through FA , providing it is the right player.
IE , read good character , wanting to be here and will fit in with the structure of the team and teamates.
Kane was a 4 , Bogosian was 3 , Wheeler was 5 , Burmistrov was 8 , Sceifele was 7 .... I think that is the point . Pittsburgh got lucky and got a generational talent plus one pretty close to that , that is not a model to think any team will be able to emulate. Chicago and Nashville are not stretches to think we can replicate imo.
Came here to post this!
We're already built through the draft. Or most of our core is.
Top 10 picks in the last 5 drafts. Bogosian 3rd (2008), Kane 4th (2009), Burmistrov 8th (2010) and Scheifele 7th (2011). That's not including our top 10 this year or other draft picks that aren't in the 1st round (Pavs, Little, Enstrom, etc...).
I hope we'll add pieces where we can through trades and FA, but the core of our team will be drafted and developed by the Jets.
can anyone show me a team who doesnt have this mantra?.....except maybe a handful of teams like toronto and new york?
its like saying i play the market and my mantra is 'buy low and sell high'....really?....wish i'd thought of that.
smart trades are just as important in building a long term winner as good drafting....saying we will build from within isnt an excuse to do nothing but pick bottom feeders off waivers.
jets 1.0 also had this 'build from within' mantra (jimmy mann = mark scheiffele?)
Of course the Jets are going to do more than just build a team from draft picks, but they are not going to give away their future for possible short term success either. Ask Toronto if they want their draft picks back for Kessel.
This is year one of a team that wasn't even ours so it will take time to get the type of players we want
and get rid of the ones we don't. If you can't accept that, give up your tickets if you have any. The jets plan obviously doesn't agree with yours.
I agree. The majority of our "core" players are here. We just need to make sure we can retain them and hope they continue to develop.
Kane reached a career high in goals.
Bogo was a -27 last year in 71 games. This year he's -4 in 62 games and also reached a career high in points.
Same deal with Burmi : doubled his goal total from last year.
Wheeler will only get better and who knows how good Mark S. & Telgin could be.
The core is there and we've got excellent prospects playing junior. We could be a play off team next year and with the acquisition of a top FA this summer....... it's all but guaranteed.
I hate sounding like a broken record but someone like Parise will change the future of this team and only for the better. It's a long shot but someone like Parise doesn't come around that often.
I agree. The majority of our "core" players are here. We just need to make sure we can retain them and hope they continue to develop.
Kane reached a career high in goals.
Bogo was a -27 last year in 71 games. This year he's -4 in 62 games and also reached a career high in points.
Same deal with Burmi : doubled his goal total from last year.
Wheeler will only get better and who knows how good Mark S. & Telgin could be.
The core is there and we've got excellent prospects playing junior. We could be a play off team next year and with the acquisition of a top FA this summer....... it's all but guaranteed.
I hate sounding like a broken record but someone like Parise will change the future of this team and only for the better. It's a long shot but someone like Parise doesn't come around that often.
Save yourself some angst . Winnipeg is not going try to sign Parise let alone sign him. It isn't happening.
can anyone show me a team who doesnt have this mantra?.....except maybe a handful of teams like toronto and new york?
its like saying i play the market and my mantra is 'buy low and sell high'....really?....wish i'd thought of that.
smart trades are just as important in building a long term winner as good drafting....saying we will build from within isnt an excuse to do nothing but pick bottom feeders off waivers.
jets 1.0 also had this 'build from within' mantra (jimmy mann = mark scheiffele?)
I don't disagree but highlighted an important part of your post......its like saying i play the market and my mantra is 'buy low and sell high'....really?....wish i'd thought of that. but here is the opportunity..........everyone knows it but almost nobody does it. Ask any broker off the record and they will tell you that people talk a tough game but almost always buy high (when the market is raging) and sell low as the market is tanking.
it's not a magic formula but the key is who actually has the patience to stick with it and talent to do it well?? I know TNSE will have the patience that will be similar to Nashville's crazy level (coach and GM at about 10 years and counting) but will they have the eye for talent and ability to develop it? Also Peter it's a much different time than and management team than 1.0. I think the Jets 1.0 did a good job of building a strong team in the 80's (too bad about them pesky Oilers and Flames) and by the time the 90's hit small markets were kind of done for and mostly used as farm clubs.
I do think TNSE will attempt to trade along the way to make themselves stronger. I highly doubt that option is off the table but I don't think they do it like Montreal did last season (out of a position of weakness). If a good deal is there to be had I am comfortable believing Chevy will pull the trigger. He probably has a really good idea who he wants around long term now and if a player isn't on that list I would be shocked if he isn't working the phones trying to move them for pieces that fit. Also I am sure he has a long list of people that do fit with their program that he has his eye on.
I do think they will use a blended approach but this year happens to be a pretty lean year as far as free agents go. I think the offseason could be a big letdown for fans of change in Winnipeg and about 25 other NHL markets.
on topic.. It's an article about an interview had with the guy who OWNS THE TEAM. He has to say all the right things and would not just come out and say "Yes, we have a glaring hole that we need to address".. I hope people are not stupid enough to interpret this interview as saying they will not be trying to make the team better via trades and free agency this offseason. He is trying to temper expectations in the case that Chevy is simply unable to get an ideal move done...
I promise that just because they are going to build and develop through the draft, it doesn't mean they are going to avoid trades and free agent/waiver moves.
This organization has made it very clear, from the get go.....that this club will be built in a incremental manner, featuring emphasis on scouting and building through the draft.....
The bulk of the initial spending will be on extending/locking up the existing young core....as oppposed to overpaying FA's. Which is a very intelligent and responsible way of preserving cap space, down the road.....to have the required resources for eventually adding the final pieces to the puzzle....
One certainly gets the impression, so far....that panic moves, to appease some people, will not be a feature of this team. Patience is a virtue in theory, but a little harder to practice. Actively seeking out players with character cannot be underrated, and is a refreshing concept, in today's pro sport.....
We will eventually end up with a team, that does the right things on and off the ice...that can compete...year in and year out.
Not only is it bad, from a strategical management point of view, to try and build too quickly and throw large sums of money at short term targets, but it is also a very dumb financial move. When you have a rabid fan base locked into multi-year ticket commitments, a smart businessman banks that money for as long as possible, with the idea that they only have to compete in a free market when that lock-in ends. They don't have to rush for any reason. Rushing would only be to feed their own egos, since it doesn't change anything regarding the ticket sales.
I have no problem with the way the team is developing so far, I have no idea if it's the best way. Do people think our core is pretty much here? I thought general concensus seemed to be that the team doesn't have a real first line yet.
on topic.. It's an article about an interview had with the guy who OWNS THE TEAM. He has to say all the right things and would not just come out and say "Yes, we have a glaring hole that we need to address".. I hope people are not stupid enough to interpret this interview as saying they will not be trying to make the team better via trades and free agency this offseason. He is trying to temper expectations in the case that Chevy is simply unable to get an ideal move done...
I promise that just because they are going to build and develop through the draft, it doesn't mean they are going to avoid trades and free agent/waiver moves.
Nice post that is important.
Their main focus is on the draft, develop, and patience model just like Nashville........that is not their "ONLY" focus. I am guessing they are one of about 5 ownership groups that will have elite patience in the NHL which can be a good or bad thing depending on if you are backing the right horse. Other clubs can talk it but a GM can only be as patient as his life expectancy. I know of no GM that would fall on the draft and develop sword to hand a great young crop to the next guy if he new he was on a short leash. Almost all these GM's would know how much clock they are working with and that would dictate tactics.....I highly doubt all GM's are in the buy and hold game.
anyone who doesn't think Chevy's phone lines are burning is mistaken IMHO.....but an important part of the article is "it’s not like we can just go to a catalogue and pick out what's missing". The Jets are competing with 29 other skilled and motivated groups who want to win.
I have no problem with the way the team is developing so far, I have no idea if it's the best way. Do people think our core is pretty much here? I thought general concensus seemed to be that the team doesn't have a real first line yet.
When two seasons in a row, you have a different top-50 point getter, I'm pretty sure you have two-thirds of a legit first line.
I have no problem with the way the team is developing so far, I have no idea if it's the best way. Do people think our core is pretty much here? I thought general concensus seemed to be that the team doesn't have a real first line yet.
Ideally we need at least 2 elite level talents imo.
Not mandatory as Boston showed you can win with very good players and depth , but when you don't have true difference makers most everything has to go right , and that leaves more room for error and failure of course.
We really would benefit from a true #1 C , and who would refuse a bonafide #1 Dman or scoring winger?
One elite center really would start the trickle down theory of talent though imo , very beneficial if we had that player.
All I hear is blah blah....blah blah from both sides of the debate. Thing is that the jets manegement will decide how the team is structured and will make drastic changes to right the ship if their path does not pan out like they predict.
Overall I'm satisfied and happy with the plan and our teams progress this year. Good job chipman and I expect u to make some tough decisions if our direction does not create the desired results.
I have no problem with the way the team is developing so far, I have no idea if it's the best way. Do people think our core is pretty much here? I thought general concensus seemed to be that the team doesn't have a real first line yet.
I think most of our core is here. We have guys that have 1st line talent (Kane, Burmistrov), they just need to continue to develop.
i think you guys totally miss my point.....all i am saying...and have ever said...is that this blanket belief that a team can be built by draft pick alone is fallicy....it is not an excuse for doing nothing, or having one of the lowest payrolls in the league.
everyone knows that you have to draft intelligently (the scheiffele issue makes me question their strategy at that, but its another debate)....but you cant do that in isolation.
everyone here seems to believe that trades or FA signings have to be risking the future for the present...that isnt the case at all.
look at our team as a perfect example....we had the same level of assets last year as we do this year (so that argument holds no validity), but ASG, the owners that everyone hated, traded rich peverly for stuart and wheeler......do you guys not see how that made the team better?...did they risk their future doing that?
andrew ladd, our freakin captain came to us in a trade for a second round pick and an AHL defenceman.
Byfuglien, our lone all star came for a first and second.
Byfuglien, wheeler, ladd and stuart are the heart of this team...our top scorer, the captain and 2 assistants.....all came through trade in the last 2 seasons....are those short term moves that throw away the future?...where would we be without those players?
add these players to some nice drafting (bogosian, burmistrov, kane, little) and the much maligned ASG seemed to know what they were doing....a good balanced approach.....that is all i am asking of true north.
i dont really understand how fans of the team do not want to see an effort from the owners to make it better...we have to be the only fans of a bottom 10 team (except maybe edmonton) who are content to have their team do nothing to improve.
even the almightly red wings have traded their first pick two years in a row now.
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i think you guys totally miss my point.....all i am saying...and have ever said...is that this blanket belief that a team can be built by draft pick alone is fallicy....it is not an excuse for doing nothing, or having one of the lowest payrolls in the league.
everyone knows that you have to draft intelligently (the scheiffele issue makes me question their strategy at that, but its another debate)....but you cant do that in isolation.
everyone here seems to believe that trades or FA signings have to be risking the future for the present...that isnt the case at all.
look at our team as a perfect example....we had the same level of assets last year as we do this year (so that argument holds no validity), but ASG, the owners that everyone hated, traded rich peverly for stuart and wheeler......do you guys not see how that made the team better?...did they risk their future doing that?
andrew ladd, our freakin captain came to us in a trade for a second round pick and an AHL defenceman.
Byfuglien came for a first and second.
Byfuglien, wheeler, ladd and staurt are the heart of this team...the captain and 2 assistants.....all came through trade in the last 2 seasons.
i dont really understand how fans of the team do not want to see an effort from the owners to make it better...we have to be the only fans of a bottom 10 team (except maybe edmonton) who are content to have their team do nothing to improve.
even the almightly red wings have traded their first pick two years in a row now.
Your argument is about acquiring players through trades, but it's difficult when a lot of your assets have been traded in prior trades (Ladd and Buff). A trade also takes 2 teams willing to make it. I'm just curious, but what would you suggest we trade from our current assets?
