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04-03-2012, 03:58 AM
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If Schroeder makes the team it'll more likely be as a winger, for Kesler and Booth. Pahlsson should be re-signed our 3rd line is unreal, we can't break up Higgins Pahlsson Hansen perfect 3rd line. Schroeder might be used as a 1st call up player but yeah if this was most NHL teams Schroeder is playing in the NHL by now, this could very well turn into another Hodgson situation.
How come? He's not exactly tearing the AHL apart, and seems to be generally southbound in reputation. (Didn't make the top 75 in this year's THN FW, for example).

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Sign 1 year for between 3 and 4M and get a long term deal a year later wherever he wants after that for 6M +.
Wait, Schneiders worth 6+?

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04-03-2012, 04:31 AM
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THN has an article today suggesting that Reimer+Gardiner or Reimer+1st+some defenseman other than Gardiner might not be enough for Schneider alone. So your expectations of return for the Leafs might be a bit on the high side here....
THN also thought that a rental player in Sundin was worth Kesler, a 1st and a 2nd the year he didnt waive his NTC. I wouldnt take everything they say as the final word on opinions.

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Be prepared for disappointment if you think he will get you guys a top 5 pick.
I never said he would, in fact I'm 100% sure he won't.

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04-03-2012, 05:08 AM
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THN has an article today suggesting that Reimer+Gardiner or Reimer+1st+some defenseman other than Gardiner might not be enough for Schneider alone. So your expectations of return for the Leafs might be a bit on the high side here....
http://m.thehockeynews.com/articles/...ork-to-do.html

Basically the 1st plus a D is not enough.

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04-03-2012, 05:08 AM
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Schneider for the first straight up... Leafs fans say no, we go our different directions.



Schneider is not worth a possible lottery pick. Not even close really.

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04-03-2012, 05:18 AM
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Schneider is probably more likely to wind up in Tampa Bay or Columbus or to remain in Vancouver than to go to Toronto via trade.

If Schneider stays though, Toronto might be one of the few potential destinations for Luongo.

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04-03-2012, 05:28 AM
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has anyone else notice every year at this time when the Leafs are out of the playoffs there are a rash of trade proposals involving a big name going to the leafs.

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04-03-2012, 07:20 AM
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THN also thought that a rental player in Sundin was worth Kesler, a 1st and a 2nd the year he didnt waive his NTC. I wouldnt take everything they say as the final word on opinions.
Nor would I. But at least it's one estimation of value that is pretty far removed from the one suggested by the OP.

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04-03-2012, 08:31 AM
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No to the OP.

I think Schneider for 1st is fair. That's all I'd do.

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04-03-2012, 08:42 AM
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I have no idea why Vancouver fans can't grasp the fact that playing behind Toronto's defense/system is different than playing behind Vancouver's. Of course the Nucks beat teams Toronto didn't, hence the fact we have a lottery pick.
I get this. But then, why wouldn't Toronto fix their system? Their defense isn't bad, and they would have a great goalie, and some talent up front. If they played the proper system I see no reason why they aren't a legit playoff team in the east.

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has anyone else notice every year at this time when the Leafs are out of the playoffs there are a rash of trade proposals involving a big name going to the leafs.
About as noticeable as the most annoying Bruins fans being Canadian.

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I get this. But then, why wouldn't Toronto fix their system? Their defense isn't bad, and they would have a great goalie, and some talent up front. If they played the proper system I see no reason why they aren't a legit playoff team in the east.

Actually it is pretty bad.

If it were me I would stick with Reimer and fix the defense.

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04-03-2012, 10:08 AM
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3 months from now you think Vancouver is gonna want to trade their playoff starter?

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No to the OP.

I think Schneider for 1st is fair. That's all I'd do.
Major overpayment by the Leafs, but I'm sure if you're OK with it, VAN would be as well.

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It's amusing to see how bad Nuck fans are trying to convince Leafs fans that they "need" Schneider.

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It's amusing to see how bad Nuck fans are trying to convince Leafs fans that they "need" Schneider.
Watching some Leafs games this year, they definitely do "need" Schneider or some other capable starting goalie. It's amusing to see people try to play down Schneider's value when virtually every hockey expert I've heard raves about him. Whether or not the Leafs are willing to trade what it takes to land him, Schneider will be a great starting goalie somewhere. I have no doubt of that.

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04-03-2012, 10:22 AM
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It's amusing to see how bad Nuck fans are trying to convince Leafs fans that they "need" Schneider.
Because Reimer and Gustavsson are doing so well? Is that the point you're trying to make?

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04-03-2012, 10:27 AM
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One example of an unproven goaltender being traded for a top 10 draft pick.

Please. One example.

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One example of an unproven goaltender being traded for a top 10 draft pick.

Please. One example.
Define unproven.
There are not many young proven goalies who get traded period.
Try to acquire Carey Price or Quick who are proven goalies.

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It's amusing to see how bad Nuck fans are trying to convince Leafs fans that they "need" Schneider.
No, I think it the news media that's saying how bad the Leafs and a few other teams need a "quality starting goaltender" - chief among them is The Hockey News. They're also saying that Schneider is a hot commodity because of the market.

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Define unproven.
There are not many young proven goalies who get traded period.
Try to acquire Carey Price or Quick who are proven goalies.
Unproven = Not already a starter in the NHL.

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Hell, an example of a proven goaltender being traded for a top 10 pick would be nice to see.

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04-03-2012, 11:35 AM
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It's amusing to see how bad Nuck fans are trying to convince Leafs fans that they "need" Schneider.
They need a goalie that can be consistant in the crease. They've used 4 guys so far this year (3 regularly) and they've been awful. They need to do something. I agree acquiring a goaltender is meaningless unless they get the rest of their issues in order. If they can sort out coaching and buy into a system then I think Schneider will be a piece that really helps them. Worth their 1st? Ya, probably, but it doesn't mean they should make the deal. I do however think they should be shopping that 1st for immidiate help somewhere in the line-up.

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04-03-2012, 11:42 AM
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These threads will all be too funny if Vancouver prices themselves out of any possible deal, Schneider re-signs for 1 year and explores the UFA market next off-season. It's certainly a possibility

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