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11-27-2004, 11:16 AM
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Rangers prospects to current NHLers...

1. Fedor Tjutin, D High: Eric Brewer Low: Mironov

2. Alvaro Montoya, G High: Martin Brodeur Low: AHL

3. Jozef Balej, RW High: Pavol Demitra Low: AHL

4. Hugh Jessiman, RW High: Keith Tkachuk Low: Georges Laraque

5. Henrik Lundqvist, G High: Ed Belfour Low: Europe

6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW High: Jokinen Low: Europe Tier 2

7. Thomas Pock, D High: Niedermayer Low: Poti

8. Garth Murray, C High: Primeau Low: LaPerierre

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11-27-2004, 11:46 AM
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1. Fedor Tjutin, D High: Eric Brewer Low: Mironov

2. Alvaro Montoya, G High: Martin Brodeur Low: AHL

3. Jozef Balej, RW High: Pavol Demitra Low: AHL

4. Hugh Jessiman, RW High: Keith Tkachuk Low: Georges Laraque

5. Henrik Lundqvist, G High: Ed Belfour Low: Europe

6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW High: Jokinen Low: Europe Tier 2

7. Thomas Pock, D High: Niedermayer Low: Poti

8. Garth Murray, C High: Primeau Low: LaPerierre
I dont really understand this but all your Highs are way to high cept for Lundqvist. I can never see Balej being as good as Demitra..Demitra is a very good playmaker. Jessiman to Tkachuk is possible but a longshot. Pock to Niedermayer? Not a chance. Murray to Primeau not a chance, Montoya to Brodeur is a huge huge longshot. Korpikoski to Jokinen is possible.

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11-27-2004, 12:00 PM
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If by high, you mean at a stretch/longshot, then the highs aren't too high. That kinda defeats the point of this, however, because almost any prospect, if everything works out well, and he changes this and improves that, can be said to become Joe Sakic.

I have the most problem with putting Pck's low as being Poti. I know no-one respects Poti, but you've got to be realistic: Poti is a bona-fide NHL offensive-defenceman, even if he loses his spot on the Rangers, someone else will sign him. I think a better comparison would be Joel Bouchard.

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11-27-2004, 12:03 PM
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Like I said. When Poti came over here he had like 11 points in 12 games. Then over the full season had 48 points. Those are big numbers for a defensemen.

Making these other comparisons just sets yourself up for dissapointment.

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11-27-2004, 12:31 PM
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I agree with your comparisons. How is he setting himself up for disapointment. He said HIGH which equals their potential to the fullest, and also stated low.

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11-27-2004, 12:53 PM
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I agree with your comparisons. How is he setting himself up for disapointment. He said HIGH which equals their potential to the fullest, and also stated low.
When you say someones potential is XXX thats all they think about. How good the player can be, not the downside. I just think comparisons like this set up for dissapointment.

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"Poti is a bona-fide NHL offensive-defenceman"

No, he isn't

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Korpikoski as high as Jokinen? Please tell me they received better than Jokinen for Brian Leetch?

Pock as high as Niedermayer? I think as high as Poti is more likely. I am not a fan of Poti, but offensively he has some skills.

Murray? By all accounts I have read/heard, he has 3rd line center tools. I would say a high would be Peca, Holik, or Madden, but that is just me.

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11-27-2004, 01:09 PM
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"Poti is a bona-fide NHL offensive-defenceman"

No, he isn't
Yes, he is very offensive. The way Andrew Dice Clay can be taken as offensive.

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11-27-2004, 01:13 PM
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Whats wrong with Jokinen?

Immonen and Kondratiev were also in the deal, and a 2nd rounder


Tyutin and Brewer are not really alike... i don't see Fedor ever being that physical, similar thoughts on the Ohlund comparisons... Alot of folks see Tyutin playing a big physical game, i haven 't seen it yet... but he is young

Wade Redden might be his high end

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11-27-2004, 01:21 PM
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Hopefully Murray has the wheels to be a full time center, but he'll need improvement

His injuries also have to be of concern, Every time you turn your head, he seems to be down for 3-4 weeks...

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11-27-2004, 01:38 PM
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Korpikoski as high as Jokinen? Please tell me they received better than Jokinen for Brian Leetch?
in case you didn't notice jokinen is a big huge #1 center that can score 30 goals/year and has emerged as one of the young stars in the league

you say that you hope we'd get more then jokinen for brian leetch as if brian leetch was still in his prime or had any value to the current rangers...

getting a young jokinen for a 37 year old brian leetch by itself would be a GREAT deal and then on top of that add a top 4 dman (kondratiev) and the best player in finland (immonen) and it is an absolute steal

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I am not very high on Jokinen, never liked him, always thought he was overrated.

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Originally Posted by Rancid
1. Fedor Tjutin, D High: Eric Brewer Low: Mironov

2. Alvaro Montoya, G High: Martin Brodeur Low: AHL

3. Jozef Balej, RW High: Pavol Demitra Low: AHL

4. Hugh Jessiman, RW High: Keith Tkachuk Low: Georges Laraque

5. Henrik Lundqvist, G High: Ed Belfour Low: Europe

6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW High: Jokinen Low: Europe Tier 2

7. Thomas Pock, D High: Niedermayer Low: Poti

8. Garth Murray, C High: Primeau Low: LaPerierre
I don't think Garth Murray has a chance in hell of being the kind of player Keith Primeau currently is. From the few games of his I've seen at the AHL level, the guy is pegged for the third or fourth line on a good team. Granted he could be a very good third or fourth liner, but no all star. And if Pock turns out to be as good as Poti, I'll sign for that right now. We all know the problems with Poti's game but those become seriously magnified when you have no crease-clearers like the Rangers last year. He is still an above average offensive defenseman and could be effective with the right players, so if Pock turns out to be that, fantastic.

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I'll add one.

Bruce Graham. High: Eric Daze. Low: AHL 2nd liner

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11-27-2004, 03:00 PM
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1. Fedor Tjutin, D High: Roman Hamrlik Low: Mironov

2. Alvaro Montoya, G High: Marty Turco Low: Low End Backup

3. Jozef Balej, RW High: Simon Gagne (from the right side) Low: Hlavac

4. Hugh Jessiman, RW High: Bill Guerin Low: AHler

6. Lauri Korpikoski, LW High: Fredrik Modin Low: Europe Tier 2

7. Thomas Pock, D High: Dan Boyle Low: Joel Bouchard

8. Jarrko Immonen, C High: Steve Sullivan Low: Top line AHLer

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I think all of yours are pretty much on the money cept for Tyutin....Hamrlik isnt THAt great...and Mironov was very good in his younger years...so I think you overrated his Low and Underrated his high..but only by a litle for each.

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11-27-2004, 03:18 PM
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How big has Korpikoski gotten? thought i read somewhere that he sprouted some after the draft..Hadn't heard any Modin comparisons before... but had seen some references to Havlat regarding his puckhandling... wouldn't that be nice..

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11-27-2004, 03:24 PM
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Korpikoski is listed 6'1 183. He wont turn 19 until Jully I believe. So hes going to be a big boy. He could still grow an inch too.

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Korpikoski is listed 6'1 183. He wont turn 19 until Jully I believe. So hes going to be a big boy. He could still grow an inch too.
he has average size, nothing special.

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11-27-2004, 03:34 PM
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he has average size, nothing special.
Hes very young, he could end up 6'2 205.

More importantly, he plays a physical game.

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Some experts have said about Immonen that the closest NHL'er is a young Steve Yzerman.

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I would be really happy if Korpikoski plays like Bergenheim.

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I would be really happy if Korpikoski plays like Bergenheim.
I wouldn't. Bergenheim is a solid player (yes I saw him last night too), but I cannot envision him scoring more than 20 goals any year. While I'm not saying Korpikoski definately will, I would not be "really happy" unless he did.

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I wouldn't. Bergenheim is a solid player (yes I saw him last night too), but I cannot envision him scoring more than 20 goals any year. While I'm not saying Korpikoski definately will, I would not be "really happy" unless he did.
Are you saying Korpikoski is a better goalscorer than Bergenheim? Based on what???

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