Rumor: Unofficial Rumor/Proposal Thread. Offseason recon part 2

[Koto]

Originally Posted by robbiezyg

believe it or not trade value doesn't disappear overnight. teams would gladly pick up a 40 point center that is only 22 years old that was drafted 6th overall.

yeah but they wouldn't gladly give up anything good for us :s

[hfboardsuser]

This unique and stirring viewpoint definitely needed a new thread. Props to the OP.

[Husker Du]

Remind me what Turris was traded for.

[OilerTyler]

Originally Posted by jeetz

Healthy, that's a playoff bound team

I don't think so.

Adding a rookie to our defence isn't going to take us from one of the worst defences in the league to the playoffs, especially when the goaltending is still suspect.

[ales83fan]

Originally Posted by Koto

yeah but they wouldn't gladly give up anything good for us :s

You need to find someone with a problem. You won't get something perfect, but you could get a guy like Nash if you add to gagner. The problem is that I don't want Nash here because of a terrible contract.

[nabob]

Originally Posted by Husker Du

Remind me what Turris was traded for.

there needs to be a demand like that. We can only hope that some team wants Gagner as bad as Ottawa wanted Turris.

[nabob]

He still has value, just not to every team in the league.

The Kings for example probably wouldnt offer anything of value for him where as the Islanders might.

[Husker Du]

Originally Posted by nabob

there needs to be a demand like that. We can only hope that some team wants Gagner as bad as Ottawa wanted Turris.

The point is that 22 y/o players with potential to score points and are high draft picks have pretty good trade value.

[nabob]

Originally Posted by Husker Du

The point is that 22 y/o players with potential to score points and are high draft picks have pretty good trade value.

there needs to be demand. Unfortunately if there is a guy who is equal to Gagner but better on faceoffs, or better defensively, or more physical teams would prefer him.

[Husker Du]

Originally Posted by nabob

there needs to be demand. Unfortunately if there is a guy who is equal to Gagner but better on faceoffs, or better defensively, or more physical teams would prefer him.

I agree with you, trade value depends on demand. Gagner to the Leafs wouldn't get us much, but to a team desperate for secondary scoring he has much more value.

[Asher]

Does anyone know which players would have to clear waivers next year? The ones I'm looking at specifically are Petrell, Hartikainen, Vande Velde, Fedun, Plante, Paajarvi, Lander, and Teubert.

[hfboardsuser]

Originally Posted by Asher

Does anyone know which players would have to clear waivers next year? The ones I'm looking at specifically are Petrell, Hartikainen, Vande Velde, Fedun, Plante, Paajarvi, Lander, and Teubert.

Petrell- Exempt (1 year)
Hartikainen- Exempt (2 years/131 games)
Vande Velde- Exempt (1 year/53 games)
Fedun- Exempt (3 years/60 games)
Plante- Exempt (1 year)
Paajarvi- Exempt (1 year/39 games)
Lander- Exempt (3 years/104 games)
Teubert- Exempt (2 years/136 games)

It's years or games played, whichever is reached first. In Petrell and Plante's cases, their available GP exceeds the number of years.

[BoldNewLettuce]

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Teemu Hartikainen ($0.875m) / Eric Belanger ($1.750m) / Ryan Jones ($1.500m)
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Waived for minors; Potter, Chorney, Khabibulin
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Signed; Zach Parise, Victor Fasth, Justin Schultz.
Re-signed; Petry, Dubnyk, Peckham, VandeVelde, Hordichuk, Petrell, Machacek

[Blue And Orange]

Gagner has zero trade value, thanks for the laugh bud.

[Blue And Orange]

Originally Posted by Tedi

Yaay another I don't like this player and because of that he has zero value thread.

really sick and tired of people having tunnel vision hate for a single player

[tsnTpoint]

Whats the deal with Justin Schultz? Are we front runners in his sweepstakes?

[Uindicator]

I can see a team like Anaheim looking at Gagner, but i'm not sure they would give up the first or any of their top prospects, they got some good ones too.
Etem(no chance)
Palmieri
Gibson
Friberg
Rakell

[Mr Forever]

^Smith-Pelley is a guy from Anaheim I'd want.

[stoff]

Originally Posted by tsnTpoint

Whats the deal with Justin Schultz? Are we front runners in his sweepstakes?

Well really are no sweepstakes yet. UFA June 1st no team can talk to him till then. So no front runners as of today.

[Uindicator]

Originally Posted by MrForever

^Smith-Pelley is a guy from Anaheim I'd want.

no way they do that , id want him as well

[Mr Forever]

Originally Posted by Uindicator

no way they do that , id want him as well

I would add to Gagner, I'm not sure what they would want. Their offence is abysmal, so maybe Jones and Gagner?

[ChefTO]

Originally Posted by jeetz

If you get the big Russian at center and sign/trade-for J. Schultz. what big winger do do target for Gagner? Clowe.

Add Schultz, Grigorinko and Clowe

Subtract Gagner, Hortichuk, Omark, Barker, Khabi

Hall RNH Eberle
Hemsky Grigorinko Clowe
Hartikainen Belanger Petrell
Smyth Horcoff Jones
Eager TBA

Petry Smid
Whitney N. Schultz
J. Schultz Sutton
Potter/Peckham/TBA

Dubnyk
TBA

Healthy, that's a playoff bound team

I like this and think it is very possible...

MP plus for Clowe
Gagner 2012 2nd rd plus for additional top 10 pick (maybe dreaming with value tho...) However Grigs / Reinhart or Trouba or Dumba if he goes the Fowler route

Also sign Hordi and inject him when needed

[Happy Hallidays]

Tyler Myers
Luke Adam

for

2nd Overall
Sam Gagner


?

I think that is a fair deal and I would take it. Imagine if we also signed Justin Schultz.

Smid - Myers
Schultz - Petry
Whitney - J Schultz

[Uindicator]

Originally Posted by MrForever

I would add to Gagner, I'm not sure what they would want. Their offence is abysmal, so maybe Jones and Gagner?

Well they got Etem coming up so a second line like Ryan - Gagner - Etem could be pretty damn good.

[ChefTO]

Just a thought:

Hall & Gagner
For
1st overall & B Jenner

Draft the Russian Duo or Grigs and or Galy and trade for Clowe and sign J. Schultz

Clowe RNH Eberle
Yakupov Grigs/ Galy Hemsky

Future C depth

RNH
Grigs/Galy
Lander
Jenner

Yes please!!