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04-13-2012, 11:05 PM
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**** Bouwmeester, he wanted to go to the Flames so he can stay there with them while their ship sinks. Not to mention I wouldn't want to pay him what we will be paying our big 3. I'm perfectly fine with adding another top 4 guy or two instead of paying that kind of $ for him. If I'm paying a d-man that much he needs to be an ES, PK, and PP threat.
Plus you want a bad cap hit to stay with one of your rival. Why would we want to help the Flames rebuild and at the same time transform ourselves into the Flames?

I have no clue why we are even talking about Bouwmeester. Makes absolutely no sense.

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Plus you want a bad cap hit to stay with one of your rival. Why would we want to help the Flames rebuild and at the same time transform ourselves into the Flames?

I have no clue why we are even talking about Bouwmeester. Makes absolutely no sense.
Soundwave likes him?

I'd take him as a 3d for about less than 4 mil, but we know that isn't happening so why waste your time.

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Well, lets try to look competitive.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
NEW(My pick? Trade for one)-Gagner-Yakupov
NEW (My pick? An RFA who won't be qualified, or Penner)-Horcoff-Hemsky
Eager-Belanger-NEW (My pick? Langenbrunner)

NEW(My pick? Suter or trade for one)-Smid
Schultz-NEW (My pick? Barret Jackman or Brad Stuart)
Whitney-Petry

Dubnyk
Khabibulin

I think the goalies can do it next year, but there are a few spots to fill on D and on forward.

We need a big second line LW, a guy who can play with Horc and Hemmer on line 3, and a veteran 4th line RW who can chip in. A No.1 D, and another defensive D is wanted as well.

Your job? Fill in the NEW spots without removing anyone from the other spots.

You can trade anyone not listed above, and sign anyone you want. I'm trying to do this to, and will post my results later. Be creative, as lots of players who are good now were once garbage

Good luck! Maybe you will outsmart Tambo!


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Random longshots targets: Anisimov and Craig Smith. Two low risk potential 2nd line C's with size and some skill.
I wouldn't mind either of these guys, but I don't think Nashville or New York would give them up easily.

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**** Bouwmeester, he wanted to go to the Flames so he can stay there with them while their ship sinks. Not to mention I wouldn't want to pay him what we will be paying our big 3. I'm perfectly fine with adding another top 4 guy or two instead of paying that kind of $ for him. If I'm paying a d-man that much he needs to be an ES, PK, and PP threat.
No kidding Bouwmeester career is almost a carbon copy of Gilberts for production in ever category including real stats. The guy is grossly overated.

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04-13-2012, 11:17 PM
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I sign Penner to play with horcoff and hemsky or to move up with yakupov. I bet he would come here, plus after this season he would be cheap. I would consider signing a guy like tootoo. We need some snarl if we make the playoffs. He's a pretty good agitator. For d-men, we should look at Shultz for one of those, and Allen or Wideman. That would be a best case scenario for me.

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I sign Penner to play with horcoff and hemsky or to move up with yakupov. I bet he would come here, plus after this season he would be cheap. I would consider signing a guy like tootoo. We need some snarl if we make the playoffs. He's a pretty good agitator. For d-men, we should look at Shultz for one of those, and Allen or Wideman. That would be a best case scenario for me.
Penner had a ****** year in his personal life from what I've heard (divorce), so its possible that he bounces back. I don't know if I want him back though. I do absolutely want to sign Tootoo though. We need a **** disturber like him.

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04-13-2012, 11:21 PM
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Is 5'11 at 195 small for a centerman? Just curious.
Not if you play bigger than you are but Gagner plays like he is 5'5 150 lbs. He falls with minimal contact, he shys away from any hit coming to him.

I am fine rolling with him next year but after that we need a big center when we start entering heavy playoff contention

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Not if you play bigger than you are but Gagner plays like he is 5'5 150 lbs. He falls with minimal contact, he shys away from any hit coming to him.

I am fine rolling with him next year but after that we need a big center when we start entering heavy playoff contention
Trade Gagner and Hemsky once the kids have inflated their points and they become worth a lot more (hopefully), get some decent returns.

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Should mention, I'd love to see how the slots above are filled by you guys if you want to, but I have one opinion to stress (that is shown on the depth chart above).

We are in a rebuild, but we need to start moving on within our plan. It may seem like we have enough offense, but let me assure you, we can't trade Gagner and Hemsky at the moment. Look at the most successful playoff teams. They have nine guys that can score. So after the 4 kids that we'll have, you need five others. I don't think we can afford to trade those two guys unless those voids are filled. I need proof from Magnus and Teemu before trading the guarantees.

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04-13-2012, 11:48 PM
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Should mention, I'd love to see how the slots above are filled by you guys if you want to, but I have one opinion to stress (that is shown on the depth chart above).

We are in a rebuild, but we need to start moving on within our plan. It may seem like we have enough offense, but let me assure you, we can't trade Gagner and Hemsky at the moment. Look at the most successful playoff teams. They have nine guys that can score. So after the 4 kids that we'll have, you need five others. I don't think we can afford to trade those two guys unless those voids are filled. I need proof from Magnus and Teemu before trading the guarantees.
I agree to a point but since when are gagner and hemsky guarantees?? Gagner is maybe the streakiest scorer i have ever seen and hemsky has been injured half of the last 3 years. I would trade either of them for either a top 4 d or a forward with size.

The part i agree with is that we shouldn't be trading for maybes like brassard, smith, or some of the other tweeners mentioned. We are in a point of the rebuild where we have to stop looking for maybe's and reclamation projects and get sure fired players at whatever position they play.

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I sign Penner to play with horcoff and hemsky or to move up with yakupov. I bet he would come here, plus after this season he would be cheap. I would consider signing a guy like tootoo. We need some snarl if we make the playoffs. He's a pretty good agitator. For d-men, we should look at Shultz for one of those, and Allen or Wideman. That would be a best case scenario for me.
Penner's having a heck of a post season right now. If he keeps going like this, wouldn't surprised to see a desperate team sign for 3.5 mlll/yr or 4.0 mill/yr.

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I agree to a point but since when are gagner and hemsky guarantees?? Gagner is maybe the streakiest scorer i have ever seen and hemsky has been injured half of the last 3 years. I would trade either of them for either a top 4 d or a forward with size.

The part i agree with is that we shouldn't be trading for maybes like brassard, smith, or some of the other tweeners mentioned. We are in a point of the rebuild where we have to stop looking for maybe's and reclamation projects and get sure fired players at whatever position they play.
I would consider trading either of them for what you listed above IF we strike out in free agency or we can't trade the leftover youth (Paajarvi, Omark, etc.)

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Penner's having a heck of a post season right now. If he keeps going like this, wouldn't surprised to see a desperate team sign for 3.5 mlll/yr or 4.0 mill/yr.
Question - who would you rather have, Penner or smyth?

Honest question.

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04-14-2012, 01:50 AM
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Question - who would you rather have, Penner or smyth?

Honest question.
Probably Smyth. More effective penalty killer and at least equal or greater offense. He also doesn't quit on plays like Penner does. Smyth might have diminishing returns at this point, but you look at their perspective seasons this year and tell me who was the vastly superior player. Smyth had more goals than Penner had points this year. More than double the production.

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Question - who would you rather have, Penner or smyth?

Honest question.
I'd rather have Smyth AND Penner, and not have Hemsky. I'd flip Hemmer for a Dman and roll with:

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Penner - Gagner - Yakupov

IMO, those lines are much better than:

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Hemsky

But if it came down to Penner and Smyth at the same price and term, I'd go with Penner. But I guess that depends on which Penner comes to play every night.

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I'd rather have Smyth AND Penner, and not have Hemsky. I'd flip Hemmer for a Dman and roll with:

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Penner - Gagner - Yakupov

IMO, those lines are much better than:

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Hemsky

But if it came down to Penner and Smyth at the same price and term, I'd go with Penner.
No, not really. Yakupov will need someone to dish him the puck and Hemsky is the perfect guy to do that. I'm done with Penner and his half-assed efforts tbh.

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No, not really. Yakupov will need someone to dish him the puck and Hemsky is the perfect guy to do that. I'm done with Penner and his half-assed efforts tbh.
I'm not too sure if Yakupov and Hemsky would work well together TBH. They both love to carry the puck and want it in their hands most of the time. It's the best part of their games. Not to mention Yakupov and Hemsky are both RW's. I don't think Hemsky can play the LW and I feel Yakupov is so much more dangerous playing his off wing.

Penner - Gagner - Yakupov seems like a good balance of everything. Gagner passes off to his wingers in stride very well, and Penner could buy Yakupov and Gagner lots of space and time. Not to mention Penner would be there to clean up their mess also.

This is assuming we get the same Penner that left Edmonton.

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He's old but he still seems to put up points and move the puck well ... should the Oilers maybe consider reaching out for Philly for Kimmo Timonen as a cap dump?

That would open up cap room for them to sign Ryan Suter, and we get a one year rental in Timonen until some of our defensive prospects are closer to being ready.

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I don't think Arnott would leave St. Louis if offered a deal, but did the bridges between Arnott and Edmonton burn long ago?

I've always thought he'd be a good fit for the 2nd C in Edmonton. He's got the size, and he can still put up points. Maybe not fastest, but he'd create space for Hall/Eberle/Yakupov/Whoever else is on his line.

He's a little older, sure, but I think he'd be a decent acquisition.

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Arnott is a 3rd line center, and we have one already in Horcoff.

As for Timonen, I really don't see the Flyers trading him. He could fit here but I doubt Philly wants to trade him, especially with Carle leaving.

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Arnott is a 3rd line center, and we have one already in Horcoff.

As for Timonen, I really don't see the Flyers trading him. He could fit here but I doubt Philly wants to trade him, especially with Carle leaving.
If it opens up cap for them to sign Suter though ... one more year of Timonen vs. 7+ of Suter?

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Jimmi mentioned Gaustad earlier, IMO he'd be a great fit for our 3rd line. We'd have to shed Belanger or Horc (or both ) but he's a big boy and would be a solid cornerstone of a tough as nails 3rd line.

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If it opens up cap for them to sign Suter though ... one more year of Timonen vs. 7+ of Suter?
Depending on if Suter wants to go there. They could always trade for his rights first I guess.

I think they'd rather have Timonen and Suter for one season. Carle would be the one being traded (or at least his rights)

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Next years line up

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky these three have good chemistry

Eberle-RNH-Yakupov can't split up Nuge and Ebs, add Yak =Goalfest

Harski/MPS-Lander-Petrell Solid defensive banging 3rd line or 4th line depending on performance.

Smyth-Horcoff/Belanger-Jones PK, managed minutes to keep the old guys fresh, reliable on defense 3rd or 4th line depending on performance.

Eager/Hordichuk I would like to see guys like these two get used properly. No idea if Hordichuk will be back, Eager has two more years on his deal so I'm guessing he will be barring a trade.

MPS in the AHL unless he earns a spot in TC

Harski in the AHL unless he earns a spot in TC

Smid/Petry

Whitney/N Schultz/maybe J Schultz/UFA dman

Sutton/Potter/Tuebert/Whitney

Possibility of returning MPS to his former role as a Defenseman?

After the serious injury to Taylor Fedun I see him spending at least a year in the AHL to see if he can regain his playing form.

Cam Barker, likely no qualifying offer tendered.

Theo Peckham, tough call here, not sure what management will do,might qualify him because the team has 8-10 contract slots open.

Dubnyk Developing nicely, Hoping for a good showing in the WC
Khabbibulin Nice mentor/Russian connection for Yakupov

Two real scoring 1st lines, this will seriously screw with teams top pairings

Smyth and Petrell are ? both UFA's I see Petrell being re-signed, Smyth not as sure, 50/50 IMO atm.

If we consider Hall's first year as our first year of rebuild, are we still in aquire picks mode, as next year would be #3 by that standard or do we begin to challenge for a playoff spot?

Gagner gets re-signed this summer (most likely scenario) or being traded at the draft if a team like TO misses out on the Center they want in the draft.

I see some moves being made at the trade deadline next year, but it will be mostly dependent on our position in the standings at that stage.

This is basically the same team we iced this year with the addition of Nail Yakupov, the biggest question is does management keep him up for the year or send him down after 9 games?

Any thoughts going forward on this? trades call-ups etc?

Interested to hear your thoughts. Potential line ups would be appreciated.


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