He seems like a great guy.. But it just hasnt been working with him, I am always on the fence about him, but I can probably guarantee he becomes the scapegoat, even though much more needs to be done.. Its hard to tell, did this team just get too old under his watch? Or did he suck the life out of them? Coach or players? Really a blurry line there, but im willing to bet they point at the coach before the players. If he gets axed, I wouldnt be surprised to see him succeed in another organization
Sutter is a terrible ****ing coach and I hope he goes back to Red Deer, never so much as even looks in Calgary's direction ever again, and stays there. Classy guy though.
Sutter says the winning streaks over the years proved this club had the players to win with the gameplan. They just didn't do it on a consistent basis.
Yeah, because they couldn't. Sutter's system is an up-tempo and very demanding one; it's no coincidence that the team looked considerably better when a good number of the vets were injured and replaced by younger, faster players. Devils fan echoed the same comments when he left New Jersey - the players would usually be gassed by the third period. By the end of the season, they'd have little left and that was a big reason why the Devils were knocked out in the first round in both of Sutters years there. And those were far more talented teams than the Flames have had in the last three years.
Sutters inability to adapt to the team he had is the biggest reason why he failed as a coach in Calgary and why he absolutely deserves to be let go. His system, when adhered to, works; there's no question about that. The problem however, is that Calgary simply didn't have the players to make it work and when the ownership group/management made it clear they weren't going bring in players that would be better fits, Brent should have wised up and changed his system to fit the players he had. But he's a Sutter, and Sutter's push square blocks in round holes until it blows up in there faces.
Personally, I won't miss Sutter at all when he's shown the door.
Yeah, because they couldn't. Sutter's system is an up-tempo and very demanding one; it's no coincidence that the team looked considerably better when a good number of the vets were injured and replaced by younger, faster players. Devils fan echoed the same comments when he left New Jersey - the players would usually be gassed by the third period. By the end of the season, they'd have little left and that was a big reason why the Devils were knocked out in the first round in both of Sutters years there. And those were far more talented teams than the Flames have had in the last three years.
Sutters inability to adapt to the team he had is the biggest reason why he failed as a coach in Calgary and why he absolutely deserves to be let go. His system, when adhered to, works; there's no question about that. The problem however, is that Calgary simply didn't have the players to make it work and when the ownership group/management made it clear they weren't going bring in players that would be better fits, Brent should have wised up and changed his system to fit the players he had. But he's a Sutter, and Sutter's push square blocks in round holes until it blows up in there faces.
Personally, I won't miss Sutter at all when he's shown the door.
He was hired to implement his coaching system. Its not his fault the personnel he was given didn't fit that system, that's on management. You blame Sutter for being too stubborn to change, yet excuse management for being too stubborn to change personnel. If his system works, why not find players to fit it? As the team gets younger, it seems as though this is happening, albeit slowly.
Do I agree that it wasn't working with him and the current roster? Absolutely, the proof is pretty clear. But I do believe that if this team continues to add youth, that letting him go would be a mistake? Definitely. Brent is fantastic with young players. His system with young, talented players could be exactly what this team needs.
. Brent is fantastic with young players. His system with young, talented players could be exactly what this team needs.
Well, where do you think the Flames can find these young talented players? Every single young players got a chance this year, even Kris Kolanos for god sake....
I think Brent's a solid coach and do feel bad for him, but this team IMHO needs a fresh face. Not sure who I think it should be, but Brent's tenure has run its course
He was hired to implement his coaching system. Its not his fault the personnel he was given didn't fit that system, that's on management. You blame Sutter for being too stubborn to change, yet excuse management for being too stubborn to change personnel. If his system works, why not find players to fit it? As the team gets younger, it seems as though this is happening, albeit slowly.
Do I agree that it wasn't working with him and the current roster? Absolutely, the proof is pretty clear. But I do believe that if this team continues to add youth, that letting him go would be a mistake? Definitely. Brent is fantastic with young players. His system with young, talented players could be exactly what this team needs.
If there is going to be a major roster turnover with an emphasis on youth, I have no problem with Sutter staying. It is clear he will nto change his system, so either get players that fit or show Sutter the door.
This is a huge offseason for Feaster, I hope he doesn't screw it up. I don't really have a good feeling though...
If there is going to be a major roster turnover with an emphasis on youth, I have no problem with Sutter staying. It is clear he will nto change his system, so either get players that fit or show Sutter the door.
This is a huge offseason for Feaster, I hope he doesn't screw it up. I don't really have a good feeling though...
Sutter should be gone irregardless of if we rebuild or not (which we won't be doing). He has shown a tendency to force players into situations they don't belong in over and over and over again and has since the day he was hired. For a coach that juggles lines as much as him, the fact he only seems to stick with things that don't work is infuriating
Well, where do you think the Flames can find these young talented players? Every single young players got a chance this year, even Kris Kolanos for god sake....
He is definitely on the wrong team.
You know, I'm not really sure. If only there were some sort of draft in the offseason...
Sutter should be gone irregardless of if we rebuild or not (which we won't be doing). He has shown a tendency to force players into situations they don't belong in over and over and over again and has since the day he was hired. For a coach that juggles lines as much as him, the fact he only seems to stick with things that don't work is infuriating
I understand your concerns, but I'll stick to my opinion on the matter. What is needed is a clear direction for this team.
If we shed Iggy, Kipper, Jaybo, etc... and get significantly younger then I'd love to keep Sutter. Like another poster said; we played our best hockey this year when half of our regular forwards were injured. Coincidence, I don't think so. Sutter is a great fit for a young, hard working and motivated group.
What worries me is that it sounds like ownership is not willing to let Feaster do what needs to be done. Elliot Friedman's 30 thoughts column hinted at it, and I respect what he has to say. Ownership is clearly out to lunch with what most fans want. My recent games in attendance at the dome speak volumes about how fans of this team feel, and it's not pretty.
I don't agree with people who slander Iggy and his legacy. He's done so much for this organization, but he needs to go IMO. Him, more then anybody, because otherwise this team will not move forward. Ownership needs to let Feaster trade the face of the franchise, and the timing is perfect. 1 year left on his contract, and going into the offseason. This is Calgary's last chance to get premium offers for Iggy, I don't think we'll get as much competition for Iggy at the deadline. I could be wrong, but I feel more teams would be interested in the offseason. It's also more respectful to Iginla, and gives him time to move on.
If we see Iggy go, others (like Kipper) will follow. If we insert a bunch of baby faces into the lineup, I'm all for giving Sutter another shot with a new roster.
If there is going to be a major roster turnover with an emphasis on youth, I have no problem with Sutter staying. It is clear he will nto change his system, so either get players that fit or show Sutter the door.
This is a huge offseason for Feaster, I hope he doesn't screw it up. I don't really have a good feeling though...
Well, where do you think the Flames can find these young talented players?
Presumably at the "Young Talented Player Store".
Ask most posters around here, we don't need to rebuild, we can just reload by dumping our underachieving UFA's to be and picking up some young talented skill players to replace them.
If we see Iggy go, others (like Kipper) will follow. If we insert a bunch of baby faces into the lineup, I'm all for giving Sutter another shot with a new roster.
Don't expect much, because Calgary will get much worse before it gets better.
Most of the core talent that Calgary requires to become a viable playoff team/contender is not currently on the roster.
Don't expect much, because Calgary will get much worse before it gets better.
Most of the core talent that Calgary requires to become a viable playoff team/contender is not currently on the roster.
No offesne but I don't understand what point you are trying to make. A successful season IMO is a team who meets or (even better) exceeds expectations.
With a roster that boasts big contracts, seasoned vets, and a couple of star talents, I expect to see the post season.
With a roster full of youngsters I would not be expecting that same result. What I would be expecting is a motivated, hard working group that shows promise for future seasons. TBH I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sutter was handed a roster full of young unkown talent and took them further then this current squad. Like someone else previously mentioned; the best hockey I saw this year was when half of our forward roster was injured. That speaks volumes. I didn't see Sutter doing one thing different, but the result was a 5 game winning streak.
From the games that I've seen the Flames playing the way Sutter intends, we've been just incredible. Having guys like Bouwma, Brodie, Backlund and Baertschi (Killer B line anyone...?) playing full time next year is going to inject a ton of speed into our lineup.
If management is smart (that's a discussion for another day), they'd see that our best hockey was played with these kids in and they'd know that these guys will only be developing further throughout the offseason and regular season.
It's not hard to pick up a young player. There's lots of them. We just have to get lucky by picking up a guy like Jamie McGinn who can flourish in a different system. Hell, look what Stajan can do on our top line!
I guess my point is, if Feaster is comfortable that he can secure decent (younger)value for our aging assets, then maybe keeping Sutter is a good move. Offer him 1 year extension to see what he can do with a younger lineup. That way, whatever happens in the season, something's going to give. Either we make playoffs and everyone's happy, or we miss playoffs and both Sutter and Feaster are gone, time to rebuild the second and third level of the pyramid.
Edit: Speaking of Jamie McGinn, we should send an offer to Ryan O'Reilly. He'd be a GREAT guy to pick up.
Sutter said he watched a Detroit game this season, and the Red Wings dumped the puck into the offensive zone 50 times with plans to retrieve it.
"They ended up winning something like 5-0 because they ended up playing the whole game in the offensive zone," Sutter said. "We think that's a bad thing in our game if we have to dump the puck in or have to chip pucks behind defencemen and go get it. We want to make the perfect play. If it's there, yes, make it, but we force it because we don't want to do it. It takes our speed away from the game, because you're best team speed is puck advancement.
I can probably count on one hand the number of times the Flames dumped the puck into the offensive zone (then chased after it, not for a line change) in the last five games. Yet Sutter claims this is a winning formula he saw from Detroit? Then, maybe, I don't know... implement it on your team, hey? Players not buying into that idea, sit them. None of this "bad boy, now you don't get to play in the shootout" ******** kind of message, but sit their bum in the press box for a game or two.
This kind of thinking, along with his own mismanagement of certain players on the team, are why I won't shed a tear if he doesn't come back.
I can probably count on one hand the number of times the Flames dumped the puck into the offensive zone (then chased after it, not for a line change) in the last five games. Yet Sutter claims this is a winning formula he saw from Detroit? Then, maybe, I don't know... implement it on your team, hey? Players not buying into that idea, sit them. None of this "bad boy, now you don't get to play in the shootout" ******** kind of message, but sit their bum in the press box for a game or two.
This kind of thinking, along with his own mismanagement of certain players on the team, are why I won't shed a tear if he doesn't come back.
There's a reason it works for our 3rd and 4th lines because it seems they are all on the same page. They know the dump is coming and enter the zone with speed.
There's a reason it never works on our top line, because Jarome ****ing Iginla stands at the god**** blueline waiting for a pass. The puck gets dumped in and we get outmanned on the boards because Iggy doesn't get there in time, or just doesn't go in the corner at all.
*sigh* We need a new leader boys. Coaching is not the problem although I do think we need a new face back there. Iginla needs to step down as captain or waive his NMC and let this team go in a different direction. Giordano for captain. It's time IMO.
There's a reason it works for our 3rd and 4th lines because it seems they are all on the same page. They know the dump is coming and enter the zone with speed.
There's a reason it never works on our top line, because Jarome ****ing Iginla stands at the god**** blueline waiting for a pass. The puck gets dumped in and we get outmanned on the boards because Iggy doesn't get there in time, or just doesn't go in the corner at all.
*sigh* We need a new leader boys. Coaching is not the problem although I do think we need a new face back there. Iginla needs to step down as captain or waive his NMC and let this team go in a different direction. Giordano for captain. It's time IMO.
better question is this, if we know Iginla doesn't dump and chase why are guys still dumping it in?
why is Sutter putting Iginla on the ice with those same guys?
seems liek the problem is alot more than just Iginla. Its clearly a chemistry problem with a lack of direction.
This could be caused by players playing out of their comfort zones because of Sutter's system
It's both. You don't tell your offensive guys to grind it out. At the same time, the leaders have to be leaders. A good coach plays to his team's strengths, not molds the team to his own. Sutter says one thing and then does another. Get mad at Iginla all you want, but besides Kipper, he was the best Flame all year long.
What do you guys honestly expect to get for Iginla? Hossa got Esposito and a middling pick, Kovalchuk got Oduya, Cormier, and Salmela, Sundin's best offer was Chris Higgins and a middling pick. If and when Iginla is inevitably traded, don't get angry at the underwhelming return.
There's a reason it works for our 3rd and 4th lines because it seems they are all on the same page. They know the dump is coming and enter the zone with speed.
There's a reason it never works on our top line, because Jarome ****ing Iginla stands at the god**** blueline waiting for a pass. The puck gets dumped in and we get outmanned on the boards because Iggy doesn't get there in time, or just doesn't go in the corner at all.
*sigh* We need a new leader boys. Coaching is not the problem although I do think we need a new face back there. Iginla needs to step down as captain or waive his NMC and let this team go in a different direction. Giordano for captain. It's time IMO.
If this is the case (and I doubt it is), and Jarome is not buying into the system yet continues to get rewarded with ice time for ignoring the coach instead of being benched / scratched (punished) for doing so, the blame for encouraging this behaviour falls squarely on the Coach. It also tells every other player on the team that it's okay to ignore the coach's direction. Iggy doesn't strike me as having the "me first" kind of mentality which is described above.
Colorado WILL keep him, but I love the kid's play too.
