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Montreal Canadiens vs. SKA St. Petersburg

View Poll Results: Who will win?
Habs in 4 11 18.97%
Habs in 5 15 25.86%
Habs in 6 5 8.62%
Habs in 7 3 5.17%
SKA in 4 7 12.07%
SKA in 5 0 0%
SKA in 6 9 15.52%
SKA in 7 8 13.79%
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04-03-2012, 03:48 PM
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Montreal Canadiens vs. SKA St. Petersburg

Before the season began, I made a Leafs-SKA poll. Now that we know that the Habs suck even more, I decided to make a Habs-SKA poll instead. SKA got shut out of a Gagarin Cup final, 0-4, in the Western Conference final (SKA also was the #1 seed in the West), while the Habs are 15th in the East.

Here we will suppose that we will have one Russian referee, one Canadian referee, one Russian linesman and one Canadian linesman. Also, here's the format:

2 games in Montreal
2 games in St. Petersburg
1 game in Montreal (if necessary)
1 game in St. Petersburg (if necessary)
1 game in Helsinki (if necessary)

Who will win?

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04-03-2012, 03:51 PM
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Montreal sweep, unless of course Tarasenko is taken off of the 4th line, then Russian Jesus himself will take it in 3.

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04-03-2012, 03:52 PM
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I take SKA in 6.

SKA roster- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKA_Saint_Petersburg

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Montreal in 5

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04-03-2012, 05:46 PM
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On October 4, 2010, the team defeated the Carolina Hurricanes 53 in an exhibition game.
Don't know how far removed that SKA team is from today but....Maxim Afinogenov?

I also like some of the other ousted ex-NHLers on the current roster. Even if they are older.

I'd say SKA in 7.

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04-03-2012, 05:49 PM
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SKA in 7. Would be fun to watch.

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Homer-voted Habs in 7.

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LOLZ. I follow Tarasenko so I've seen plenty of both teams. SKA beating Montreal once wouldn't be Miracle on Ice, but I would bet on Canadiens in 4 far faster than Canadiens in 5. These are also the only two options. Generally you need a great goaltending performance to pull this off and SKA's goalies are Conklinesque. Just play the body and separating SKA guys from the puck should be easy. Horrendous backchecking.

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So the majority is saying that a top 2 team in the KHL can't beat bottom 2 team in the NHL in a 7 games series?

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04-04-2012, 07:42 AM
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LOLZ. I follow Tarasenko so I've seen plenty of both teams. SKA beating Montreal once wouldn't be Miracle on Ice, but I would bet on Canadiens in 4 far faster than Canadiens in 5. These are also the only two options. Generally you need a great goaltending performance to pull this off and SKA's goalies are Conklinesque. Just play the body and separating SKA guys from the puck should be easy. Horrendous backchecking.
Ezhov and Sokolov maybe but Stepanek? SKA is a team to play the starter about 60% of the time and Ezhov got ~40% of the starts.

While Stepanek could be a starter in Tampa, for instance, and be better than Roloson, SKA isn't exactly a team with depth in the net.

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So the majority is saying that a top 2 team in the KHL can't beat bottom 2 team in the NHL in a 7 games series?
OK, the Habs aren't as bad as their record, but KHL top-4 teams would likely be playoff-bubble teams or even #5-8 playoff seeds in the NHL.

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So the majority is saying that a top 2 team in the KHL can't beat bottom 2 team in the NHL in a 7 games series?
The top KHL teams just can't hang with the NHL teams. Their top players are our essentially our rejects. Make an NHL team with those players and it would be absolute garbage.

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SKA in 7. On NHL ice they lose, but they handle the Habs on the larger surface.

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are we assuming a fully healthy Habs team or the battered and bruised 2011-2012 edition of the team? If Habs are fully healthy, they take it in 5 no question IMO

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The top KHL teams just can't hang with the NHL teams. Their top players are our essentially our rejects. Make an NHL team with those players and it would be absolute garbage.
No, just no. I know enough about the KHL to say that you can't say that top KHL players were NHL rejects just because they play a different style of hockey. The North American game is very different from the Russian game. Also there is a chance that a player's game could be much better suited to the Russian game than to the North American game.

Plus if they were NHL rejects while still developing, these players likely have continued developing in Russia. Thus the players you may have seen as NHL rejects may very well be much better versions of the very same players that couldn't cut it in the NHL.

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SKA in 7. On NHL ice they lose, but they handle the Habs on the larger surface.
Then again I could have voted SKA in 7 too...

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No, just no. I know enough about the KHL to say that you can't say that top KHL players were NHL rejects just because they play a different style of hockey. The North American game is very different from the Russian game. Also there is a chance that a player's game could be much better suited to the Russian game than to the North American game.

Plus if they were NHL rejects while still developing, these players likely have continued developing in Russia. Thus the players you may have seen as NHL rejects may very well be much better versions of the very same players that couldn't cut it in the NHL.



Then again I could have voted SKA in 7 too...
Montreal would force SKA to play a NA game, not SKA forcing Montreal to play a Euro game, which would make it a 4 or 5 game series win for Montreal.

This is about the same thing as, could the best college football team beat the worst NFL team. It is just idiotic in my opinion to believe that it can happen.

The KHL just simply can't compete with NHL teams.

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Yeah, this is just silly. It would be a four game sweep at least seven out of ten times, and the other three SKA would take a game. Over an 82 game season, Montreal's floor would be 72 wins.

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Maybe SKA would be able to steal a game on home ice but it really shouldn't be close over seven games. I voted Habs in five, could be four.

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IMO Mathradio is reasonable, but majority of the rest of people here have no idea what they are talking about. If these teams played 10 games I could see Habs winning anything beetween 3-7, depends where it's played.

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With an "optimal" lineup (meaning a top-shape Andrei Markov, amongst others), and with the option to ice Hal Gill and Andrei Kostitsyn, and Jaro Spacek OR Kaberle? The Habs might, and probably, lose one game in St. Petersburg, but that's it. The optimal Habs team is much closer to the playoffs than to 15th place in the East.

Keep in mind that two of Habs regular D's were playing in Europe as soon as last year.

With, like, last night lineup? Habs still win, but it take more games, and they could probably split a 10 games matchup.

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Is Price healthy? Cause if so, Montreal in 5. If not, Montreal in 7.

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With an "optimal" lineup (meaning a top-shape Andrei Markov, amongst others), and with the option to ice Hal Gill and Andrei Kostitsyn, and Jaro Spacek OR Kaberle? The Habs might, and probably, lose one game in St. Petersburg, but that's it. The optimal Habs team is much closer to the playoffs than to 15th place in the East.

Keep in mind that two of Habs regular D's were playing in Europe as soon as last year.

With, like, last night lineup? Habs still win, but it take more games, and they could probably split a 10 games matchup.
I voted as though the Habs' roster was last night's lineup.

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Montreal would force SKA to play a NA game, not SKA forcing Montreal to play a Euro game, which would make it a 4 or 5 game series win for Montreal.

This is about the same thing as, could the best college football team beat the worst NFL team. It is just idiotic in my opinion to believe that it can happen.

The KHL just simply can't compete with NHL teams.
The problem is the KHL ice surface. SKA is used to it, Montreal isn't. Mistakes coming from the larger ice is inevitable. The ice surface is the reason why guys like Prucha are able to succeed in the KHL. There's more room to work, and if the defensemen want to step up on a guy, they're much further out of position if they make a mistake. From just a skill and roster standpoint it's no contest, but the ice does make a huge difference.

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People are really overrating the ice issue IMO.

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ska in 6 or 7 if prices plays OK

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