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You don't like Phaneuf, that's fine but let's not talk stupid. There's enough flame wars around Toronto already.
I'm serious.
It has nothing to do with his talent.
One thing I've learned about the current NYR team is that attitude is everything.
A player like Phaneuf has no place on a winner in my mind.
Phaneuf has been in the midst of speculation his whole career about his attitude. There have been rumours in Toronto and Calgary. There were also discussions about him at the all star game.
He is the Captain of the team that took a nosedive - that does say something about his leadership ability whether anyone likes it or not.
He also lets his attitude dictate his play. All you have to do is watch one Leafs game to realize that.
If he were the type of player who shut up, was a good team mate, and didn't let his ego dictate his play, he could be a very good defenseman. Unfortunately, that is not the case - and I wouldn't take him for 500k.
Once again its attitude, not ability,
This has nothing to do with the Leafs tbh... I just can't stand him as a player.
Everything right about the Leafs: Lupul - works his butt off, fighting adversity - he'd be the first player on the leafs I'd want - even over Kessel (not that I wouldn't take both )
I'm serious.
It has nothing to do with his talent.
One thing I've learned about the current NYR team is that attitude is everything.
A player like Phaneuf has no place on a winner in my mind.
Phaneuf has been in the midst of speculation his whole career about his attitude. There have been rumours in Toronto and Calgary. There were also discussions about him at the all star game.
He is the Captain of the team that took a nosedive - that does say something about his leadership ability whether anyone likes it or not.
He also lets his attitude dictate his play. All you have to do is watch one Leafs game to realize that.
If he were the type of player who shut up, was a good team mate, and didn't let his ego dictate his play, he could be a very good defenseman. Unfortunately, that is not the case - and I wouldn't take him for 500k.
Once again its attitude, not ability,
This has nothing to do with the Leafs tbh... I just can't stand him as a player.
Everything right about the Leafs: Lupul - works his butt off, fighting adversity - he'd be the first player on the leafs I'd want - even over Kessel (not that I wouldn't take both )
This.
Ray Ferraro mentioned something along these lines last week.
All the leafs fans talking about how it no use getting a good goalie because there's other holes need to look no further than the biggest hole on the team: phaneuf.
And it aint cause he doesn't have the physical abilities.
Or if we were to trade to get a late first like 20+ region, would you guys consider it?
You could even send us Ballard back if you want.
I make that deal if there was nothing better on the table just for the flexibility it would allow the Canucks. I think that is slightly below his actual value, but it provides some cap room and gives us some younger D depth.
Mac make too much and doesn't add anything to the Canucks line-up, Frattin is younger so adds a little depth but he would be a throw in in a deal for Luongo, not a major piece and the pick isn't enough to improve the value of assets coming back to the Canucks.
The suggestion of Gunnarsson, Colborne and 2nd is the least that I would accept without feeling like we short changed ourselves
Too be fair, the only player reported to having an issue with him was Regehr (as far as I know) and he was shipped out too. Iginla and him seem to be good friends and Jokinen was interviewed saying he would welcome Phaneuf back onto any team he was on.
He is overpaid, but that's not really his fault it's Calgary's. As for his personality, I don't ever see him leaving Toronto. This year after the collapse he's pretty much been subjected to character assassination by our media, but most Leaf fans understand his worth. He's a number 2 dman at most and good leadership role for a young team like ours. People ***** about him because he's chippy, he makes big hits and comes off as cocky. Leaf fans were in love with his game at the beginning of the year, but as the team tailed off so did his game. He's a player you want on your team when everything going right, but a conduit for criticism when he isn't. Almost like Luongo. Although Phaneuf gets praised when we're winning, whereas Canuck fans seem to think they win in spite of Luongo's contribution.
That's not even remotely accurate this season. Just read any thread on the Canucks board about our goaltending this year - Luongo is considered the team's MVP this season (over Schneider because he hasn't played as much). The team's goaltending all season long has been credited for bailing out a sub-par defensive team this season and being the reason for the team's success.
There was however a problem with Luongo as captain of the team... Much like the problems with Phaneuf, he was seen as being arrogant and not media friendly... And much like Phaneuf he went through the same roller-coaster of criticism and praise depending on how the team was playing - this isn't a sign of a stable captain.
The problem with Phaneuf as captain is as you describe it above. When things are going good there aren't problems with him, but when things are going bad, then he's a bigger target as he goes with that same flow. That speaks volumes about his leadership and ability as captain. Captains are never judged when things are going well for the team, it's their impact through turmoil, controversy and hardships that define them and that's where Phaneuf has regularly failed. That's why he gets called out for being a weak captain. That's why he's getting the blame when the team doesn't show up on home-ice and are blown out by the opposition. Even on a bad team, a good captain never goes through that, and why they don't get called out - guys like Iginla or Doan are just never the subject of such criticism, because their heart and work ethic is never questioned even when they are slumping and their teams aren't playing well. Phaneuf's character and work ethic has been questioned since he stepped into the league and that's a big problem for any captain.
There have been too many questions about his character and problems in the locker room from his time in Calgary on... And now in Toronto he hasn't really proven any differently. Still seems like a team that lacks leadership overall.
The Canucks just don't need that kind of drama at all... We have enough of it as it is, but thankfully our leadership and character of that leadership group has never been a problem. Despite all the trashing the Sedins take from the fans they are still among the most respected players in the game by their peers - and their back to back Pearson/Lindsay as voted by the players in the league just proves that... A huge turnaround from the drama we had with Luongo as captain.
Luongo is a cap dump, not a top 5 goalie. Phaneuf is a #1 or #2 d-man on a team.
Has Phaneuf looked to you anything remotely like a #1 D during the second half of the year? On the other hand, Luongo on the Leafs might get nervous awfully fast. I don't see him as a great fit. Would rather make a deal for Schneider anyway.
Phaneuf makes more than the Sedins. For that reason alone this would never happen. In general I agree with NFiTO, as ever.
I have a sneaking feeling Luongo will end up in Tampa this summer, regardless of what happens in the playoffs. The fans have been such dicks to him, I wouldnt be surprised to see him request a trade.
It is, right?
you won't find a starter of that caliber for just over $5M
glad some ppl appreciate this
my opinion as well.
i see lui going to tampa bay for connolly and a draft pick.
we get salary room (possible weber move next season, maybe even suter this year.) and a good young bc boy at forward.who can replace hodgsons spot (young, future potential) and be more physical.
tampa solidifies their sad goaltending at a reasonable price, and he is signed long term. no worries for stevie y. and i think stevie y could also get more out of luongo in the focus department.which, with stamkos, can take you a long way in this league.
I was mostly talking about the first rounder. Just because they would be lower on the depth chart on the Canucks doesn't mean they're garbage.
And I realize there has been homerism on both sides, but given the history between the GMs I could see Luongo coming to Toronto. That's all.
How does the history between GMs here make it seem he could come to Toronto?
The GMs hate each other. If anything given the history between GMs, there likely won't be any trade discussions amongst them.
I could see the Leafs interested given Nonis' history with Luongo, but it's much more likely that these GMs don't even talk trade given the animosity that's been there for a long time.
How does the history between GMs here make it seem he could come to Toronto?
The GMs hate each other. If anything given the history between GMs, there likely won't be any trade discussions amongst them.
I could see the Leafs interested given Nonis' history with Luongo, but it's much more likely that these GMs don't even talk trade given the animosity that's been there for a long time.
Phaneuf is the one player that I wouldn't take on my team for 500k.
He is an ego-case, and is very one dimensional.
Luongo AINEC (since people love to use this acronym so freely)
Luongo is still a very goalie. The fact is that any goalie can look bad if your team is playing poorly or if your opponent is playing really well.
Just because he has some rough games in the playoffs doesn't mean he is suddenly a cap dump.
And this right here is why you are not a GM in the NHL. Or at any level
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Originally Posted by NaiveLeafsFan
Gunnarsson, Colborne + 2nd?
Or if we were to trade to get a late first like 20+ region, would you guys consider it?
You could even send us Ballard back if you want.
Way to much for a cap dump, especially how it would cripple our chances at signing Suter or Parise.
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Originally Posted by GaBorat
I'm serious.
It has nothing to do with his talent.
One thing I've learned about the current NYR team is that attitude is everything.
A player like Phaneuf has no place on a winner in my mind.
Phaneuf has been in the midst of speculation his whole career about his attitude. There have been rumours in Toronto and Calgary. There were also discussions about him at the all star game.
He is the Captain of the team that took a nosedive - that does say something about his leadership ability whether anyone likes it or not.
He also lets his attitude dictate his play. All you have to do is watch one Leafs game to realize that.
If he were the type of player who shut up, was a good team mate, and didn't let his ego dictate his play, he could be a very good defenseman. Unfortunately, that is not the case - and I wouldn't take him for 500k.
Once again its attitude, not ability,
This has nothing to do with the Leafs tbh... I just can't stand him as a player.
Everything right about the Leafs: Lupul - works his butt off, fighting adversity - he'd be the first player on the leafs I'd want - even over Kessel (not that I wouldn't take both )
And this right here is why you are not a GM in the NHL. Or at any level
Way to much for a cap dump, especially how it would cripple our chances at signing Suter or Parise.
Once again, no wonder your not a GM in the NHL
Once again to much for a cap dump, that would....
Same could be said about you. You have absolutely NO clue how ignorant you sound... People like you are the reason why the leafs get $#!t on. Cap dump my ass... If Lu is a cap dump, Phaneuf is waiver/farm fodder. Get your head out of your ass...
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