Btw, to say that Enström is a rich mans Oduya is like saying that Crosby is a rich mans Little.
I for one is not ready to switch up a hole in the offense for a hole in the defense.
Oh, and btw, if Enström is such a liability in his own zone, how come he's second in +/- for d-men on the team while playing with Buff (who is a team worst -8)?
OK enough about Crosby then. If Phoenix moves, and these guys get a hockey team, I think Enstrom would be a good fit. Wouldn't be too sure about their playoff aspirations though, playoffs get a bit rough.
OK enough about Crosby then. If Phoenix moves, and these guys get a hockey team, I think Enstrom would be a good fit. Wouldn't be too sure about their playoff aspirations though, playoffs get a bit rough.
What would we reasonably expect to receive for Enstrom, considering that he has 1 year left on his contract? Last year the Wild were in a similar spot with Brent Burns and San Jose being desperate for a defenseman traded Devon Setoguchi, Charlie Coyle and a 1st round pick for Brent Burns and a 2nd round pick.
Following that kind of formula, a veteran forward, a good prospect and a draft pick would be a good return for Enstrom, however I'm not sure if that is a realistic return to expect
As an aside on Charlie Coyle, he is in pure beast mode in the QMJHL playoffs right now, 10 goals and 10 assists in 6 games!
You do know that Enstrom was on the second PP so that we would have a QB for each unit? Toby was far from a superstar this year but if you think that the coaching staff put Stapleton out there over Enstrom because Stapelton is better at the point than Toby, you might want to look into that again. I won't even dignify the "3rd paring PP specialist" comment with a response.
Seriously? Who was the QB on the #1 PP? I know it wasn't Buff because he spent way too much time below the goal-line to be the QB. If Enstrom is a great PP QB, and our #1 PP unit gets about 1:30 of every 2:00 PP, wouldn't you want that guy on the ice?
Oh, and btw, if Enström is such a liability in his own zone, how come he's second in +/- for d-men on the team while playing with Buff (who is a team worst -8)?
You're right. In Enstrom's defence as a great player, he does know when to get off the ice. Buff had way too many 1:30-2:00 min shifts, lots of them ending up with awful giveaways and a centre ice faceoff.
Or my question on your comment about Tobys 2 season downwards trend?
Wot? 2 downward seasons? Where? I see a very good season and a decent season hurt by an injury.
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What would we reasonably expect to receive for Enstrom, considering that he has 1 year left on his contract? Last year the Wild were in a similar spot with Brent Burns and San Jose being desperate for a defenseman traded Devon Setoguchi, Charlie Coyle and a 1st round pick for Brent Burns and a 2nd round pick.
Following that kind of formula, a veteran forward, a good prospect and a draft pick would be a good return for Enstrom, however I'm not sure if that is a realistic return to expect
Enstrom's definetely a better all-round dman than Burns. He's more consistent defensively as well but you're right, his perceived value is lower. GM's see Burns and they saw a big Canadian dman with lots of potential and I'm not sure how many of them see Enstrom as a true no1. I don't think you get back that same fair value for him...best off hoping he re-signs.
Enstrom's definetely a better all-round dman than Burns. He's more consistent defensively as well but you're right, his perceived value is lower. GM's see Burns and they saw a big Canadian dman with lots of potential and I'm not sure how many of them see Enstrom as a true no1. I don't think you get back that same fair value for him...best off hoping he re-signs.
I wouldn't be surprised if his value this off-season was determined somewhat by what happens in the playoffs. This is still somewhat a copycat league; if Boston wins the cup again and Chara gets MVP, Enstrom's perceived value is much lower than if Pittsburgh wins the cup with Letang leading the way. The premium on size seems to fluctuate from year to year. Either way, I don't see a possible return anywhere close to what Burns got. If the Jets were offered a similar deal, I hope they'd jump at the opportunity.
I wouldn't be surprised if his value this off-season was determined somewhat by what happens in the playoffs. This is still somewhat a copycat league; if Boston wins the cup again and Chara gets MVP, Enstrom's perceived value is much lower than if Pittsburgh wins the cup with Letang leading the way. The premium on size seems to fluctuate from year to year. Either way, I don't see a possible return anywhere close to what Burns got. If the Jets were offered a similar deal, I hope they'd jump at the opportunity.
I agree with this. I think that what happens in the playoffs could determine the direction that some teams take.
I.E. If a team gets close, do they try to add to win it next year? If a team has a good run and loses a defenseman, does that make Enstrom more appealing?
One team that springs to mind is Detroit. From a pure fit perspective, it would appear that Enstrom's game would be a great fit there. Now, if Detroit loses both Lidstrom and Stuart in the offseason, and are not able to sign Suter, is Enstrom an option? Detroit has great prospects.
Now if Detroit does sign Suter, and Nashville goes on a bit of a run in the playoffs, do they try to add Enstrom and take another run? What about Philly? They have the forwards. If Pronger is done, and if they lose Kubina and Carle, would they be interested?
Boy you really know how to sell it. I think the issue is that winnipeg is taking all the risk in this. Enstrom IS a top 2 d man, burmi is a third line center. so you have a top 2 d and 3rd line, witht the potential of that being a top 2 d and 2nd line c. For that we for sure get a second line center and an ahlr. ceiling wise we could possibly end up with a 1st line center and a top 4 dman. the problem is, th ebest case scenario for the jets is a wash. if these guys hit their ceiling its fair. if they dont, its a win for the avs. why would we do that without at least a chance that it ends up being a win for the jets...
lol just figured one needs to try and keep all perspectives in mind, I could've pitched it as a first line Center who had an injured season after a 67 point year at the same age Burmistrov was this season. As well as a young dman who needs to bulk up, but showed his offensive prowess early in his NHL stint, enough so that even if he doesn't make big strides he'll be a quality bottom pairing PP specialist in 10 pounds and a quality pick for the risk they take on. Figured I'd give the balanced perspective since I do feel that the Avs would be taking the lesser risk, but also facing the lesser reward, if all works out the Jets are getting a franchise center and a dynamic top 4 dman with some of the best wheels in the game and one of the best wristers you'll find on a dman with a quality pick for the risk.
What would we reasonably expect to receive for Enstrom, considering that he has 1 year left on his contract? Last year the Wild were in a similar spot with Brent Burns and San Jose being desperate for a defenseman traded Devon Setoguchi, Charlie Coyle and a 1st round pick for Brent Burns and a 2nd round pick.
Following that kind of formula, a veteran forward, a good prospect and a draft pick would be a good return for Enstrom, however I'm not sure if that is a realistic return to expect
As an aside on Charlie Coyle, he is in pure beast mode in the QMJHL playoffs right now, 10 goals and 10 assists in 6 games!
It was not a similar situation in the sense that Burns was only scheduled to be an RFA rather than a UFA like Enstrom. That is a significant difference.
It was not a similar situation in the sense that Burns was only scheduled to be an RFA rather than a UFA like Enstrom. That is a significant difference.
Are you sure? Before he was traded, Burns had played 6 NHL seasons. When he was traded to the Sharks he had 1 year left on his deal, which would have been his 7th in the NHL (just like Enstrom).
That would have made him an upcoming UFA, no?
He would have been 26 at the draft, while Enstrom will be 27 (at this draft), but my understanding is that a player is a UFA at 27, or 7 years of service.
