The Foligno call was late in the 2nd, not the 3rd. And the Senators were given a late powerplay chance in the 3rd, where the Canes had better chances shorthanded than the Senators did on the powerplay.
Officiating was rough, but not the reason for the loss.
I was talking about Neil's 2nd penalty on Ruutu which was late in the third. And the powerplay given to Ottawa late in the 3rd was a blatant trip on Michalek - hardly a gift.
I don't think it was really the reason for the loss but it was certainly bad officiating.
He deliberately elbowed the puck into the net. That's not legal. And even if it should have been a goal, they still had a good period and a half to overcome that call. Are you saying a playoff bound team can't overcome a call like that?
Did you watch the play? He raised his arm to protect his face. It's not like he swung at it.
I'm not sure where the insinuation that I said they can't over come that call came from. I was merely pointing out that they had a better chance at winning if that bad call wasn't made.
I didn't really sense too much urgency in this game. That's the key factor in the loss. That wasn't the point of the thread though.
Foligno got a kneeing penalty earlier in the game for hitting too hard too.
2 minutes for a clean open ice hit.
Except that one was kneeing. It was a pretty blatant knee-on-knee hit.
The main problem seems to be with the Ruutu hit, which was a horrible call. The Staal one could have gone either way. I don't believe Staal actually touched the puck (or had what constitutes possession) so the interference was 50/50.
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Did you watch the play? He raised his arm to protect his face. It's not like he swung at it.
Except that one was kneeing. It was a pretty blatant knee-on-knee hit.
The main problem seems to be with the Ruutu hit, which was a horrible call. The Staal one could have gone either way. I don't believe Staal actually touched the puck (or had what constitutes possession) so the interference was 50/50.
Except he did swing at it.
that certainly was not kneeing
to me it looked like his hit the canes player in the thigh/groin area
He deliberately elbowed the puck into the net. That's not legal. And even if it should have been a goal, they still had a good period and a half to overcome that call. Are you saying a playoff bound team can't overcome a call like that?
Evander Kane did the exact same thing (while also running over Anderson) a week ago against the Sens and they called it a good goal.
The double standard is what's frustrating.
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Foligno kneeing penalty - Could've gone either way. Principle point of contact in slow mo was the knee, but in real time you couldn't tell because Foligno made full body contact a fraction of a second after the knees contacted.
Neil interference penalty #1 (on Staal) - Could've gone either way. Allen deserved 2 mins for roughing though
Neil interference penalty #2 (on Ruutu) - Absolutely ridiculous. Ruutu had possession of the puck and got smoked with a clean hit. Neil even bumped Karlsson in his glide-up to Ruutu. The ref was just pissed that Neil was still looking to throw some big hits.
Neil no-goal call - In my opinion, could've gone either way. Neil pretty clearly brings his hands forward and up toward the puck, but it could have just as easily been a reaction to the puck flying up toward his chest and face area. However, I think that because it was a good goal on the ice, and the camera angles (at least the ones I've seen) didn't conclusively prove anything, I disagree with the on-ice call being overturned.
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Folingo penalty was a kneeing call and they got it right. The Neil hit on Staal was borderline, but I can see a captain getting that call. The second penalty on Neil was total damage control by the officials and a poor call. They just wanted him off the ice because there was bad things brewing. No excuse for penalizing a player on a clean hit. They did try to mitigate the damage by sending both players, so overall I don't think it was a travesty. the 4 on 4 at home should have favored the Senators.
Folingo penalty was a kneeing call and they got it right. The Neil hit on Staal was borderline, but I can see a captain getting that call. The second penalty on Neil was total damage control by the officials and a poor call. They just wanted him off the ice because there was bad things brewing. No excuse for penalizing a player on a clean hit. They did try to mitigate the damage by sending both players, so overall I don't think it was a travesty. the 4 on 4 at home should have favored the Senators.
they didn't...not on the second one.
anf you don't give the opposing team pp in a close game to get a player off the ice. that is what a 10 min misconduct is for. But in this case Neil was not at fault and it should have been the canes who got the penalty for going after a player who just made a clean hit
the no goal was bs too imo. Kane did the same thing to us in Winnipeg and the boys in toronto called it a good goal......
Sens suffer from the same disease as the Bruins and Flyers..they hit too hard and play on edge and the opponent usually whines and cries so the refs "lookout" for the Neils...
I believe we can all agree the Neil hit on Ruutu was absolutely, textbook clean and the call was a bizarre joke.
But the TSN video doesn't tell the tale of the Staal hit very well. No context.
In fact, Staal is on the edge of the crease trying to bat a rebound into an open net. He misses, or just ticks it, and Neil arrives less than half a second after the puck and plants him. A ref staring at the play from 15 feet away doesn't react at all. A bozo in a different area code decides it's interference, or charging, or something, and whistles it down.
The guy who actually saw the play should have been able overrule the bad call. NFL refs can pick up the flag when they screw up. NHL refs should be able to do the same.
Paille hit tonight was clean and hard...BS call tonight...followed up by embellishment by Letang...bingo...5 on 3...game done...
was very similar to Chimera on McQuaid, lucky Niskanen didn't turn and make it worse but he still go injured on the play. 2 minutes for charging every time.
Sens suffer from the same disease as the Bruins and Flyers..they hit too hard and play on edge and the opponent usually whines and cries so the refs "lookout" for the Neils...
Folingo penalty was a kneeing call and they got it right. The Neil hit on Staal was borderline, but I can see a captain getting that call. The second penalty on Neil was total damage control by the officials and a poor call. They just wanted him off the ice because there was bad things brewing. No excuse for penalizing a player on a clean hit. They did try to mitigate the damage by sending both players, so overall I don't think it was a travesty. the 4 on 4 at home should have favored the Senators.
You see thats a problem....having a "C" gets you special treatment by the Refs now, what a joke.
Ottawa didnt capitalize and they lost the game.
The Canes play like a bunch of Nancys. Staal was acting like he's entitled to something, Skinner throws temper tantrums everytime he gets hit, and Allen keeps pretending he wants to fight but never does.
